Home | Just wanted to mention how completely outrageous the Belgians' undertaking to prosecute Ariel Sharon for war crimes is.
Who the hell are the Belgians anyway? What have they ever contributed to the world?
It is very dangerous to have some lousy European country decide that it has the right to prosecute the entire world.
Maybe the U.N. should make some laws about which countries have the right to judge others!
yes the UN should. but I'm sure that would be very bad news for Sharon, as it will be embarrassing for Israel if Belgium's court chooses to charge Sharon but if the UN-court decides so it means that Sharon can't travel abroad anymore.
By the same standard, I guess George Bush, Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, General Franks and the entire US Congress would be held as war criminals for the US actions in Afghanistan.Originally posted by takeo
yes the UN should. but I'm sure that would be very bad news for Sharon, as it will be embarrassing for Israel if Belgium's court chooses to charge Sharon but if the UN-court decides so it means that Sharon can't travel abroad anymore.
When the US cleaned out Kandahar and Kabul, there were reports that the Northern Alliance chop-chopped hundreds of their tribal enemies. Actually there are plenty of photos of murdered bodies piled up in their filthy streeets.
Since there is no difference between the US action and Sharon's actions, I guess that the "even-handed" UN will also not allow the US president and congress to travel again.
where is Belgium with its famous courts?
It doesn't take Poirot to discover that the cowardly Belgians don't have the guts (or integrity) to start prosecuting president Bush.
Anyone can proceed in Belgium, if a group of Afghans decide to prosecute Bush, they can do so. Did you know that a group of Belgian Jews decided to prosecute Arafat? they have the same rights as people who prosecuted Sharon.
i know that the crimes of Sharon aren't the only ones in the world, and that war-crimes are committed all over the world. But it doesn't mean that Sharon is innocent and not a war-criminal.
by the way, those northern alliance fighters killed armed al-Quaida members in a prison-revolt, this is not the same as killing innocent civilians. And Bush wasn't in charge on the ground as sharon was, officially the US don't controll any part of Afghanistan.
No, I am referring to revenge killings of hundreds of Taliban and their supporters in cities like Kabul and Khandahar. Already some human-rights groups started to quietly condemn the US, but they shut up very quickly because they are only in the business of condemning Israel for what they see as supposed war crimes.Originally posted by takeo
... by the way, those northern alliance fighters killed armed al-Quaida members in a prison-revolt, this is not the same as killing innocent civilians. And Bush wasn't in charge on the ground as sharon was, officially the US don't controll any part of Afghanistan.
And by the way, in the US the president is the military commander-in-chief responsible for all military actions.
The truth is that there is always a double standard when it comes to judging Israel. It is plain and simple the result of vicious anti-semitism and Arab oil blackmail and payoffs to European officials.
Nonetheless, Sharon was in no way responsible for Arab brutality against each other and as soon as he learned of the Arab vs. Arab revenge killings, he sent in israeli troops to defend the Palestinians.
Belgium should stick to what it knows best which is making bon-bons and ice-cream. It is not the world's judge and jury. It is just a poor little sub-French country with sky-high unemployment and enough problems that it would be wise to solve its own problems before trying to taking on the entire world's troubles.
Last edited by Negev; 01-06-2002 at 03:31 PM.
Ok, this might be war-crimes committed by the northern alliance, but in those cities there was no US-supervisor who controlled those cities, the us only had airspace-controll. the Us didn't send in the Northern alliance to cities which they had in controll before, there were no us-troops in this cities which could stop the killings. So in this case the US can (legally) not be held responsible for this (morally maibe yes because they knew northern alliance are thugs too).
"The truth is that there is always a double standard when it comes to judging Israel. It is plain and simple the result of vicious anti-semitism and Arab oil blackmail and payoffs to European officials. "
that's nonsense, israel often get a better treatment than other countries. It wasn't treated like yougoslavia or Iraq, even if the crimes against humanity and against international laws were more serious.
"Nonetheless, Sharon was in no way responsible for Arab brutality against each other and as soon as he learned of the Arab vs. Arab revenge killings, he sent in israeli troops to defend the Palestinians. "
Yes he was, he send in troops 24 hours after he knew the massacre was going on. That's more than enough time to finish the business for those thugs. And he was the commander of Beirout at that time, the libanese militiamen were under his supervision and controll, he ordered them to go in the camps.
"Belgium should stick to what it knows best which is making bon-bons and ice-cream. It is not the world's judge and jury. It is just a poor little sub-French country with sky-high unemployment and enough problems that it would be wise to solve its own problems before trying to taking on the entire world's troubles."
I live close to the Belgian border and can assure you there is less unemployment in Belgium than in Israel (or even France). It is not the world's judge, but israel isn't the world's judge too but it persecuted nazi-officials as well (and good that they did it). somene has to do it if the UN fails because of a US-veto.
An international justice court
I don´t know if Sharon is a criminal of war, (in Spain a lot of people including journalists that in 1982 was in LÃÂbano says that Sharon knew the situation and did´t want stop the massacre).
There is a lot of criminals and dictadors around the world like Pinochet, Castro, Saddam Hussein, Milosevic, Ben Laden and others...
It would be important create an international justice court to arrested this criminals and give a serious advice that the impunity doesn´t exist to the crimes against the human rights. If this court will be accepted by all the countries, the courts like this begium won´t exist.
There is a problem USA, don´t accept any international institution that they don´t control and can judge americans citizents of soldiers.
Are the Spanish Journalists and a lot of Spaniards mind readers? Gee you must have smart people living in Spain.
Unfortunately, institutions that are biased like in Belgium do exist, like the UN security council, for example.Originally posted by Elena
It would be important create an international justice court to arrested this criminals and give a serious advice that the impunity doesn´t exist to the crimes against the human rights. If this court will be accepted by all the countries, the courts like this begium won´t exist.
On the other hand, if there existed a World court with real moral authority, it would have to put every Arab dictator on trial for crimes against their own people and crimes against humanity.
But that will not happen, of course, so long as the world expects to get its oil supply, uninterrupted.
Belgium is not sub-French, maybe you know that Belgium is a federal state with two communities: Vlaanderen (where people speak Dutch) and Wallonië (the part where French is the language). We are not really poor...the gap in our economy is smaller than in the US, there is less unemployement than in the US. Our states aren't going bankrupt, I heard that some of the US states are bankrupt. So, who are you to talk?Belgium should stick to what it knows best which is making bon-bons and ice-cream. It is not the world's judge and jury. It is just a poor little sub-French country with sky-high unemployment and enough problems that it would be wise to solve its own problems before trying to taking on the entire world's troubles.
The post to which you are replying was made in January 2002. The poster himself last posted at this forum in April 2002, information obtainable in the links below his name.Originally posted by Belgium
Belgium is not sub-French, maybe you know that Belgium is a federal state with two communities: Vlaanderen (where people speak Dutch) and Wallonië (the part where French is the language). We are not really poor...the gap in our economy is smaller than in the US, there is less unemployement than in the US. Our states aren't going bankrupt, I heard that some of the US states are bankrupt. So, who are you to talk?
Talk about beating a dead horse!
Posted by Belgium:
Belgium is not sub-French, maybe you know that Belgium is a federal state with two communities: Vlaanderen (where people speak Dutch) and Wallonië (the part where French is the language).
Yes - there of course is multiculturalism at work.
We are not really poor...the gap in our economy is smaller than in the US,
What are you talking about? which gap? Are you comparing your economy to that of the US? Grow up!!!!
there is less unemployement than in the US.
I doubt you even know what you are talking about!!!! You people really make me laugh in your understanding of not just simple economics but of having any basic knowledge of mathematics.
Our states aren't going bankrupt, I heard that some of the US states are bankrupt.
The deficit of some of our states are equal to the overall GDP of you of your country and we are still fine. Listen don't talk about things you don't even understand. Don't embarass yourself like this anymore.
So, who are you to talk?
We are the US have been solving European problems since the first war. When will this stop? And what do we get in return - idiocy. Apparently no lessons were ever learned. Whom do you have living in Europe - bunch of morons?
I know the distinction, for one. And this may be from an old post but it remains pertinent- many US states have indeed encountered severe budget problems, and many have raised taxes to an onerous level in an attempt to reduce their record deficits. Let's keep in mind, people, that a discussion of Belgium the nation ought not to be turned into an attack on Belgium the member. Consider, Mil, that if the US had truly solved Europe's problems then Europe would now be more American than European. As far as I'm concerned, and despite the aggravation Europe on occasion gives the US, I still say- 'Vive la difference'!Originally posted by Belgium
Belgium is not sub-French, maybe you know that Belgium is a federal state with two communities: Vlaanderen (where people speak Dutch) and Wallonië (the part where French is the language). We are not really poor...the gap in our economy is smaller than in the US, there is less unemployement than in the US. Our states aren't going bankrupt, I heard that some of the US states are bankrupt. So, who are you to talk?
Posted by Lowell:
Consider, Mil, that if the US had truly solved Europe's problems then Europe would now be more American than European.
You kidding me? Read some European history of the 20th century. It's very entertaining...
As far as I'm concerned, and despite the aggravation Europe on occasion gives the US, I still say- 'Vive la difference'!
And I say - "Please don't give advise when there is nothing to say." Europe should bud out of world politics and stick to solving its own problems. I heard Euro has some problems, the unemployement is huge - there is something to work on. As Yugoslavia has shown Europe cannot even resolve its own conflicts without 100% US involvement.... Europeans are incompetent, commitless, poor and un-imaginative when it comes to resolving world issues. That's a fact which led the continent into two World Wars.... Srew them giving US advises.
I wasn't giving advice, I said as far as I'm concerened. I don't think one can equate American conquest and liberation of Europe twice in the last century with solving Europe's problems- if all it took was American conquest then Iraq would now be problem free. About all we did in freeing Europe from tyrannies, especially Nazism, was give Europeans the opportunity to solve their own problems, and prevent the tyrannies from attacking the US. As for Yugoslavia one reason for that was the Muslim proclivity to want an Islamic homeland everywhere in the world they go...Originally posted by Mil
Posted by Lowell:
Consider, Mil, that if the US had truly solved Europe's problems then Europe would now be more American than European.
You kidding me? Read some European history of the 20th century. It's very entertaining...
As far as I'm concerned, and despite the aggravation Europe on occasion gives the US, I still say- 'Vive la difference'!
And I say - "Please don't give advise when there is nothing to say." Europe should bud out of world politics and stick to solving its own problems. I heard Euro has some problems, the unemployement is huge - there is something to work on. As Yugoslavia has shown Europe cannot even resolve its own conflicts without 100% US involvement.... Europeans are incompetent, commitless, poor and un-imaginative when it comes to resolving world issues. That's a fact which led the continent into two World Wars.... Srew them giving US advises.
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