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    Mira
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    What next for Palestinian refugees?

    Abu Mazen's lot is not a happy one

    By Zvi Bar'el

    For more than a week now Abbas Zaki has been in a flurry of activity in Beirut, meeting members of Lebanon's old and new leadership, explaining Israel's disengagement plan and trying to obtain one goal: Improvement in the status of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon.

    In the Palestinian Authority's cabinet, Zaki holds the portfolio for the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, and he is responsible for the continued implementation of the understandings PA Chair Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) reached with the Lebanese government and with Syrian President Bashar Assad during Abbas' visit to both countries last month. The promises were a significant step forward for the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon: an increase in the number of professions in which they can be employed, a slight easing of restrictions on movement in the refugee camps and residential construction permits. Similar promises have, however, been made in the past.

    Unfortunately, the optimism that could have been sparked by Abu Mazen's visit was considerably dampened by the assassination attempt on former Lebanese defense minister Elias Murr. The evidence seemed to point the finger of guilt at the Palestinians, specifically, a radical Islamic group whose members reside in the Ein el Helweh refugee camp. Ever since the assassination attempt, the promises have not gone beyond the declarative stage and, in fact, the lives of the refugees in Ein el Helweh and other camps have become even more difficult. Searches conducted by Lebanese soldiers at roadblocks at the entrance of each camp have become much longer and more stringent, and the residents now have to spend at least half a day at the entrance to their respective camp when they leave and when they return.


    This problem is not the only headache with which Zaki must deal. A few days after he returned home, Abu Mazen set off another bomb. In a television interview, he requested that the Arab states grant citizenship certificates to the Palestinians living within their borders. He does not plan to have the refugees resettle in the countries of their residence; he simply wants them to be registered as citizens in the various Arab states to secure an improvement in their living conditions.

    Abu Mazen does not believe that the formal granting of citizenship will hurt the cause of promoting the Palestinian right of return or will erase the Palestinians' collective memory of their history and roots. There are Palestinians living in the United States, France or Israel who are citizens of those countries, yet they have not forgotten about the right of return.

    Nevertheless, Abu Mazen's rationale is understood in a totally different light in the Arab states, especially Lebanon. Any proposal for changing the status of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, which is extremely sensitive about its ethnic structure, or in Jordan, which fears becoming a second Palestinian homeland, is regarded as a threat to the host country's very existence.

    The PA chair immediately came under attack. Leading Arab television stations, like Al-Arabiya and Al Jazeera, quickly conducted public opinion polls in which more than 80 percent of the participants expressed the view that the granting of citizenship to the refugees would ring the death knell of the right of return. However, when the two TV stations began to interview Palestinians living in the various Arab states, it soon became evident that the polls did not reflect the thinking of Palestinian refugees, the vast majority of whom very much want to become citizens in the countries of their residence.

    Abu Mazen had a very good reason for the timing of his citizenship proposal. When the PA leadership became convinced that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's disengagement plan was going to be carried out in earnest, they realized that Gaza's liberation would place the ball in their court as far as the refugee problem and the right of return are concerned. Until now, it was Israel that was preventing Palestinian refugees residing in other countries from entering Gaza; today there is nothing to prevent any Palestinian who wishes to do so from taking up residence there. Whereas Israel was afraid of having Palestinians leaving Gaza clandestinely, the PA fears their entering Gaza. From both the ideological and practical standpoints, the PA can no longer tell Palestinians interested in doing so that they cannot enter the Gaza Strip because there is no work or because the PA cannot support them financially. Were the PA to convey such a message, it would be violating a sacred right.

    Last week, for example, it was reported in Lebanon that an agreement had been reached between Zaki and the Lebanese government that several thousand armed Palestinians, currently residents of refugee camps, would be allowed to move to Gaza after the disengagement plan has been implemented. This would end the crisis between the PA and the Lebanese government, and enable Lebanon to fulfill partially its commitment to disarm the militia groups operating within its borders, as demanded in United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559. Zaki denied the report, although, in response to a question, he admitted that the only thing preventing Palestinians living in Lebanon from entering Gaza was the fact that the border entry points into Gaza were not under Palestinian control. However, control of these border entry points will soon be in Palestinian hands. When that happens, the PA will have to explain to the Lebanese why it is unwilling or unable to take in not only a few thousand armed Palestinians but also all of the refugees currently living in Lebanon.

    Jordan wants to send them back

    Jordan is also interested in knowing why it cannot send back to Gaza the tens of thousands of refugees living within its borders who do not have Jordanian citizenship. It should be mentioned that there are already some 120,000 stateless Palestinian refugees presently residing in the Gaza Strip. They are immigrants who arrived there after the signing of the Oslo Accords and who have up until now not been officially recognized.

    Abu Mazen is not just concerned about the right of return issue. It is only since the start of this week that the Arab media have stopped relating to the disengagement as if it were some event taking place in China. As of Sunday, the disengagement became the top headline on all Arab media newscasts. But even from the disengagement Abu Mazen has been able to derive but cold comfort. The trumpet-blaring over the Palestinian victory that has opened every newspaper article on the subject has invariably been accompanied by an analysis of the "day after," which has included the demand that the Palestinian leadership not rest until the pullout from Gaza is followed by Israel's withdrawal from the other Jewish settlements on the West Bank, the establishment of Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital and the exercising of the right of return.

    When Abu Mazen phoned the leaders of most of the Arab states, he was not only given a pat on the shoulder for a job well done, he also received a pep talk for the next stage.

    He knows that the PA's leadership is not yet ready for this stage, not only because Sharon has not yet agreed to enter negotiations on the peace process but also because the disengagement has placed heavy chains on Abu Mazen's feet in the form of agreements he has reached with Hamas.

    Abu Mazen's determination to ensure that the Israeli disengagement would not be conducted under fire - in accordance with his commitment to Sharon, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and American President George W. Bush - forced him to make two major concessions to Hamas.

    At the home of Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar, agreement was reached on the creation of a joint watchdog committee to monitor the disengagement and on a new date (in late January 2006) for elections to the Palestinian parliament. The watchdog committee falls short of Hamas' demand for an official committee that would circumvent the PA leadership, would - together with the PA - be responsible for the disengagement issue, and would share in the benefits that would accrue to the Palestinian side. At the same time, the committee is much more than Abu Mazen was willing to bargain for a month ago. Until last month, he had insisted that the PA was the only body authorized to deal with the disengagement and that, if Hamas wanted to be a partner, it would have to join the PA.

    The committee is undoubtedly a major concession for him. To understand why, one only has to imagine the Israeli government agreeing to form a joint committee with the Yesha Council of settlements to manage the disengagement. The setting of a new date for the elections is also a hard call for Abu Mazen, because Fatah has not yet fully formulated its reform program, and there are also fears that Hamas will claim all the credit for the Gaza withdrawal. Moreover, a partnership with Hamas could make Israel even more reluctant than it already is about entering peace process negotiations with the PA and could amplify fears that the withdrawal from Gaza will be the first and last stage in the peace process with the Palestinians.

    Abu Mazen will now have to show the basic difference between himself and the late PA chair Yasser Arafat: an ability to really negotiate versus Arafat's domineering charisma.

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/615029.html

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    The simple answer is once a Palestinian State is established they will probably be expelled from their Arab host countries.

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    I wonder how many lefties will cry about ethnic cleansing, then?

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    What refugees? There aren't any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cato
    Once a Palestinian State is established...

    In other words, once Israel is destroyed and the Jews are driven into the sea... I think I've heard that one a time or two before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGB8
    I wonder how many lefties will cry about ethnic cleansing, then?
    They will not.

    1. They mostly cry about the Jews

    2. Their leftism is a cover for anti-Semitism

    3. They will fold their hands and attribute it to the Arab backwardness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby
    In other words, once Israel is destroyed and the Jews are driven into the sea... I think I've heard that one a time or two before.
    Toga I agree with you, the expulsion of the Palestinian Refugees when a Palestinian State is established in most of the West Bank and Gaza strip which is what Ariel Sharon is intending on for the sake of peace nobody will cry ethnic cleansing.

    Nobody cried ethnic cleansing when the Palestinians in Kuwait paid dearly for Arafat's open support for Saddam Hussein.

    Also Robby I think I answered your question, and I am not a self hating Israeli.

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    The way that the situation looks like after the disengagement is as follows:

    1- Gaza Strip is a land where there is no internationally recognized sovereign state, the only way that it is an internationally recognized sovereign state is when the Security Council recommends that this land is a State and that state passes a resolution by the General Assembly.

    2- Once Gaza Strip is recognized as a Palestinian state and the Palestinian Authority is declared as the Palestinian government, the problem of the Palestinian refugees is resolved

    a. The Palestinian State in Gaza is indicative of a Palestinian nationality to those who are the citizens of the Palestinian State.


    b. The Palestinian refugees should go to the State that will give them a Palestinian nationality.

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    Next year in Jerusalem, allahu akhbar.

    You act like this is in isolation. Just read Ha'aretz and you'll discover the alQudsniks have a deeper and more appreciative understanding with the Palestinians than they do with their own observant Jews. Why they've just given an open mike to Red Ken and for the life of me I can't understand how they could object with a straight face to anything he's got to say.

    It's only in the stories about post-withdrawl Gaza that they talk about opportunities for the Palestinians. But with the expelled it's clearly about how they're just getting in way like the dirty stubborn Jews that they are. What's next for the Palestinians is simple. Gaza will still be a sewer but the alQudsniks will ensure that as many as can leave for Israel do. Truly Israel will be 40% Palestinian Muslim in the next 5 years or less while the observant Jewish population will fall from 15% to less than 7%. You will have a Palestinian PM in 10 years or less. Bank on it, the alQudsniks are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediocrates
    You act like this is in isolation. Just read Ha'aretz and you'll discover the alQudsniks have a deeper and more appreciative understanding with the Palestinians than they do with their own observant Jews. Why they've just given an open mike to Red Ken and for the life of me I can't understand how they could object with a straight face to anything he's got to say.

    It's only in the stories about post-withdrawl Gaza that they talk about opportunities for the Palestinians. But with the expelled it's clearly about how they're just getting in way like the dirty stubborn Jews that they are. What's next for the Palestinians is simple. Gaza will still be a sewer but the alQudsniks will ensure that as many as can leave for Israel do. Truly Israel will be 40% Palestinian Muslim in the next 5 years or less while the observant Jewish population will fall from 15% to less than 7%. You will have a Palestinian PM in 10 years or less. Bank on it, the alQudsniks are.
    Post disengagement is very clear for the Palestinians;

    1- They will live through generations of depression.
    2- They will never get Jerusalem it is not theirs to start with
    3- The Arab States will recognize Israel immediately after the declaration of the Palestinian State in Gaza.
    4- The Palestinian refugees will become an Arab-Palestinian problem.

    As for the cheering of the Palestinians and Hezbollah for that matter, and their stupid slogans of next year in Jerusalem, these are the people who are actually living in isolation. Reading what these morons are saying it is clear that no one knows what are the legal implications of the withdrawal and how does this withdrawal change the status of Palestinian under International law, the Palestinian is not stateless any more.

    Abbas’s call for the Arab States to naturalize the Palestinians does not really come out of vacuum, he knows well that this is going to be the case, he knows well, that Gaza cannot absorb them all, and he knows well that the only way to resolve this problem will be if the Arab States naturalize the Palestinians in their states because the new state cannot take all the Palestinians.

    As for the Jewish State and the Jewish majority, I agree that there is a problem in here. This issue will have to be resolved by the Israeli government taking into consideration the fact that there are Israeli Arabs in a state that should maintain a Jewish majority, this could also be resolved by creating a sectarian democracy like that which is in Lebanon ( 50% Christian and 50% Muslim), this way the Jewish representation in the parliament will be determined by the constitution ( maybe 75% Jews and 25% others ( Christians and Muslims for Israel). This solution has its draw backs since it is not really secular 100%.

    Israel could also create a federation similar to that that is created in Iraq, and include in that federation the Palestinians of the West bank and Jerusalem as Israeli-Arab citizens, similar to the Kurds in Iraq.

    The objective of the state and the current situation should be looked at realistically, as they exist on the ground. To tell you the truth, it is quite difficult to achieve statehood with a population mix based on a wish.

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    who "owns" the Gaza Strip?

    The Gaza Strip is Egyptian.

    8,000 Arabs lived in the Gaza Strip before the 1948 war.

    Before the war, the Jewish kibbutz of Kfar Daron existed, situated 11 miles south of Gaza City. Nearby was Kibbutz Nirim.

    During the war, the Jews conquered Beer Sheva and the Negev, and all the Arabs fled into the Gaza Strip. Over 100,000 of them. Not a single Arab remained in Beer Sheva. Not a single Arab settlement remained in the Negev.

    So, from 1948 to 1967, the Egyptian Gaza Strip, with 8,000 Egyptian residents, was OCCUPIED by "Palestinian" "refugees".

    Everything can be found on internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wellofvow
    The Gaza Strip is Egyptian.
    You are right Israel occupied Gaza from Egypt.

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