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  1. #31
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    ps. the mullahs don't care about their people, just like Stalin or Mao didn't... and they themselves could hide. Out of the way bunkers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by determinism
    quick question here....how come it is legal for israel to have nukes but not for lets say iran?
    Because Israel has had them secretly for a number of years for protection, was involved in several wars and no one got nuked. Iran doesn't even have a bomb yet, and they've already announced to the world that they will nuke Israel and blackmail Europe and the US.

    Why won't they have them? Because it is in your best interest that they don't.

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    MGB8,
    It sounds like a self-important far left European fantasy more than reality. Blame it on the evil capitalists! Not on the danger posed by Iran with Nukes. Sheer idiocy.
    it seems the US is making a direct profit from oil being traded in $s. Since the US is defending its economical interests very rigorously i am sure this too is a cofactor for the tentions.

    regarding the democratisation of the world...you think the mullahs would change their dictatorship to be able to participate in UN meetings? I am not sure this will work.

    lastly...i am sure the mullahs would sacrifies the people...but even with hiding and bunkers they would take an awful risk for themselfs and their families.

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    minus,

    i am sure its better for the western world if they don't have nukes.

    Iran doesn't even have a bomb yet, and they've already announced to the world that they will nuke Israel and blackmail Europe and the US.
    who stated that and when?

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    Quote Originally Posted by determinism
    who stated that and when?
    google

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    Determinism,

    How exactly does the US profit from oil being traded in dollars? Oil is a freely traded commodity. The only effect that this might have is to make the dollar more valuable, in that it is a stable currency in which to buy oil. However, like I said, a devalued dollar is not the worst thing in the world for the US. To pretend that this is a significant factor in US/Iran relations - with the events of 1979, "death to america", Beirut, and Iran getting NUKES... come on. You have not been so blinded with Anti-American propaganda, have you? Its like saying the US went to war in Iraq for oil.... it would have been far cheaper just to let Saddam trade it freely on the open market like he wanted to. Its an idiotic argument, a strech which shows anti-American conspiracy wonk behind it.

    As for Iran, they are trying to blackmail Europe now (money for "we won't produce nukes, for now.. or at least openly..) and have also talked about Israel being a "one bomb" country. 2 + 2 equals...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophra
    No. We should lock him up and throw away the key ... just like America did with Jonathan Pollard ... both of them are traitors to their country of birth.
    You must not only be Israel's most dimwitted citizen, but also its most ungrateful. Pollard is rotting in jail now because he tried to protect ingrates like you, and that is the thanks he gets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minusthejihad
    You must not only be Israel's most dimwitted citizen, but also its most ungrateful. Pollard is rotting in jail now because he tried to protect ingrates like you, and that is the thanks he gets.
    He is just saying we should treat this bastard traitor the same way the US treated Pollard, it wasn't a condemnation of Pollard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minusthejihad
    You must not only be Israel's most dimwitted citizen, but also its most ungrateful. Pollard is rotting in jail now because he tried to protect ingrates like you, and that is the thanks he gets.
    It's probably because he became religious. If he'd be a good friend of our shadow Prime Minister Shimon Peres she'd be all over it and upset about the evil_American_imperialist_right-wing_fundamentalists (tm) holding a hero of the socialist enterprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cato
    He is just saying we should treat this bastard traitor the same way the US treated Pollard, it wasn't a condemnation of Pollard.
    I'm not so sure you have read enough of Ophra's posts to make that judgement, good evidence of that is that you think the overweight grandma of five meatheads is a man baby!

    If you have time, you should go back to some of her first posts to see how vile and hateful this creature Ophra has been since her joining. If you are a proud Jew, she doesn't like you anyway, since she is offended if you call her a Jew as she stated several times. She is just toning her posts down because she obviously is riding your jock tighter than Lil Jon going after Paulina Rubio at last nights VMAs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariksan
    It's probably because he became religious. If he'd be a good friend of our shadow Prime Minister Shimon Peres she'd be all over it and upset about the evil_American_imperialist_right-wing_fundamentalists (tm) holding a hero of the socialist enterprise.
    I hear ya.

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    MGB8,

    i did a quick google search...here is an explaination as to why the US supposedly needs oil being traded in $s. I am not an expert on the subject so i don't know how valid these statements are but they do sound somewhat plausible:

    http://mathewgross.com/community/node/275

    Oil in Dollars and Euros
    Submitted by Mathew Gross on August 24, 2005 - 2:26pm. Around the Blogs | Economy | Energy
    Former Deride and Conquer poster Richard Schwartz (whose great blog the Stinkin' Desert Post can be found here) points us in the direction of... well, potential economic calamity:

    Here's an early heads up on what could be an important economic and geo-political development in 2006. It sounds dull: Iran will begin a trading mechanism for oil that is based on the euro, not the dollar. Behind dullness, though, lurk significant implications. Raisethehammer... explains:

    Today, most oil trading takes place on the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX) and the London-based International Petroleum Exchange (IPE). Since the 1970s, the OPEC countries have all agreed to sell oil for US dollars only. This means every country that wants to buy oil must first acquire enough US dollars to buy what it needs.

    Year after year, America imports much more than it exports. It must pay out that difference (its current accounts deficit) in dollars. Last year, the US ran a current accounts deficit of over $600 billion USD; this year, it's expected to increase to $700 billion.

    If there were no good reason for other countries to buy all those American dollars, then the dollar would decline in value until the US economy could no longer afford to import goods from abroad. This is what happens when other countries run large current accounts deficits over long periods.

    However, the deal with OPEC means other countries have no choice but to buy all those excess American dollars, which props up the value of the dollar and allows the American "import economy" to go on year after year. Effectively, America's main export is US dollars, and it is absolutely imperative to preserve a captive market for those dollars among oil-consuming countries.
    [...]

    Iran plans not just to sell oil for euros, but to create an exchange market for parties to trade oil for euros. The oil bourse will provide a euro-based price standard, the way West Texas Intermediate crude (WTI) and North Sea Brent crude do today. To the extent that the balance of reserve holdings starts to shift from dollars to euros, that's very bad news for America's system of dollar hegemony.

    Sheet. Time to attack Iran.

    » Mathew Gross's blog

    here is another link saying pretty much the same thing:
    http://www.feasta.org/documents/papers/oil1.htm

  13. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by minusthejihad
    You must not only be Israel's most dimwitted citizen, but also its most ungrateful. Pollard is rotting in jail now because he tried to protect ingrates like you, and that is the thanks he gets.
    Pollard did not give a damn for me or mine Minus ... he did it for the money and for the glory .
    I owe him nothing . I hope he rots in jail ... as he should ... as all traitors should.
    I suggest you become more loyal to the country that adopted you from Russia.. ... America worries about Jewish loyalty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cato
    He is just saying we should treat this bastard traitor the same way the US treated Pollard, it wasn't a condemnation of Pollard.
    He is a she Cato .... and it was a condemnation of Pollard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariksan
    It's probably because he became religious. If he'd be a good friend of our shadow Prime Minister Shimon Peres she'd be all over it and upset about the evil_American_imperialist_right-wing_fundamentalists (tm) holding a hero of the socialist enterprise.
    Nope Ariksan. Nothing to do with religion .

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