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    ygalg1
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    Kaba Was A Hindu Temple Evidence In Here

    Quote Originally Posted by raj
    [Note: A recent archeological find in Kuwait unearthed a gold-plated statue of the Hindu deity Ganesh. A Muslim resident of Kuwait requested historical research material that can help explain the connection between Hindu civilisation and Arabia.]
    Was the Kaaba Originally a Hindu Temple?
    By P.N. Oak (Historian)
    Glancing through some research material recently, I was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire.
    The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says:
    "Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram’s reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya’s behest."
    For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script:
    "Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum".
    (Page 315 Sayar-ul-okul).
    [Note: The title ‘Saya-ul-okul’ signifies memorable words.]
    A careful analysis of the above inscription enables us to draw the following conclusions:
    1. That the ancient Indian empires may have extended up to the eastern boundaries of Arabia until Vikramaditya and that it was he who for the first time conquered Arabia. Because the inscription says that king Vikram who dispelled the darkness of ignorance from Arabia.
    2. That, whatever their earlier faith, King Vikrama’s preachers had succeeded in spreading the Vedic (based on the Vedas, the Hindu sacred scriptures)) way of life in Arabia.
    3. That the knowledge of Indian arts and sciences was imparted by Indians to the Arabs directly by founding schools, academies and cultural centres. The belief, therefore, that visiting Arabs conveyed that knowledge to their own lands through their own indefatigable efforts and scholarship is unfounded.
    An ancillary conclusion could be that the so-called Kutub Minar (in Delhi, India) could well be king Vikramadiya’s tower commemorating his conquest of Arabia. This conclusion is strengthened by two pointers. Firstly, the inscription on the iron pillar near the so-called Kutub Minar refers to the marriage of the victorious king Vikramaditya to the princess of Balhika. This Balhika is none other than the Balkh region in West Asia. It could be that Arabia was wrestled by king Vikramaditya from the ruler of Balkh who concluded a treaty by giving his daughter in marriage to the victor. Secondly, the township adjoining the so called Kutub Minar is named Mehrauli after Mihira who was the renowned astronomer-mathematician of king Vikram’s court. Mehrauli is the corrupt form of Sanskrit ‘Mihira-Awali’ signifying a row of houses raised for Mihira and his helpers and assistants working on astronomical observations made from the tower.
    Having seen the far reaching and history shaking implications of the Arabic inscription concerning king Vikrama, we shall now piece together the story of its find. How it came to be recorded and hung in the Kaaba in Mecca. What are the other proofs reinforcing the belief that Arabs were once followers of the Indian Vedic way of life and that tranquillity and education were ushered into Arabia by king Vikramaditya’s scholars, educationists from an uneasy period of "ignorance and turmoil" mentioned in the inscription.
    In Istanbul, Turkey, there is a famous library called Makhatab-e-Sultania, which is reputed to have the largest collection of ancient West Asian literature. In the Arabic section of that library is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. That anthology was compiled from an earlier work in A.D. 1742 under the orders of the Turkish ruler Sultan Salim.
    he pages of that volume are of Hareer – a kind of silk used for writing on. Each page has a decorative gilded border. That anthology is known as Sayar-ul-Okul. It is divided into three parts. The first part contains biographic details and the poetic compositions of pre-Islamic Arabian poets. The second part embodies accounts and verses of poets of the period beginning just after prophet Mohammad’s times, up to the end of the Banee-Um-Mayya dynasty. The third part deals with later poets up to the end of Khalif Harun-al-Rashid’s times.
    Abu Amir Asamai, an Arabian bard who was the poet Laureate of Harun-al-Rashid’s court, has compiled and edited the anthology.
    The first modern edition of ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ was printed and published in Berlin in 1864. A subsequent edition is the one published in Beirut in 1932.
    he collection is regarded as the most important and authoritative anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. It throws considerable light on the social life, customs, manners and entertainment modes of ancient Arabia. The book also contains an elaborate description of the ancient shrine of Mecca, the town and the annual fair known as OKAJ which used to be held every year around the Kaaba temple in Mecca. This should convince readers that the annual haj of the Muslims to the Kaaba is of earlier pre-Islamic congregation.
    But the OKAJ fair was far from a carnival. It provided a forum for the elite and the learned to discuss the social, religious, political, literary and other aspects of the Vedic culture then pervading Arabia. ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ asserts that the conclusion reached at those discussions were widely respected throughout Arabia. Mecca, therefore, followed the Varanasi tradition (of India) of providing a venue for important discussions among the learned while the masses congregated there for spiritual bliss. The principal shrines at both Varanasi in India and at Mecca in Arvasthan (Arabia) were Siva temples. Even to this day ancient Mahadev (Siva) emblems can be seen. It is the Shankara (Siva) stone that Muslim pilgrims reverently touch and kiss in the Kaaba.
    Arabic tradition has lost trace of the founding of the Kaaba temple. The discovery of the Vikramaditya inscription affords a clue. King Vikramaditya is known for his great devotion to Lord Mahadev (Siva). At Ujjain (India), the capital of Vikramaditya, exists the famous shrine of Mahankal, i.e., of Lord Shankara (Siva) associated with Vikramaditya. Since according to the Vikramaditya inscription he spread the Vedic religion, who else but he could have founded the Kaaba temple in Mecca?
    Encyclopaedias tell us that there are inscriptions on the side of the Kaaba walls. What they are, no body has been allowed to study, according to the correspondence I had with an American scholar of Arabic. But according to hearsay at least some of those inscriptions are in Sanskrit, and some of them are stanzas from the Bhagavad Gita (HINDU SCRIPTURES).
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    Badmaash_Lahori
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    How do u know what those inscriptions are if no one is allowed to study them?

    & yes, I guess, u can say that the Kaa'ba was once a temple. It is written in the Quran & Hadees, that the people before Islam had trangressed and turned the Kaa'ba into their place of worship. It also says that there were Idols & Statues placed inside (and maybe around) the Kaa'ba. Though, this is all after Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) had built the Kaa'ba, which was much much longer ago than the time of Muhammed (pbuh).

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    ygalg1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badmaash_Lahori
    How do u know what those inscriptions are if no one is allowed to study them?

    & yes, I guess, u can say that the Kaa'ba was once a temple. It is written in the Quran & Hadees, that the people before Islam had trangressed and turned the Kaa'ba into their place of worship. It also says that there were Idols & Statues placed inside (and maybe around) the Kaa'ba. Though, this is all after Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) had built the Kaa'ba, which was much much longer ago than the time of Muhammed (pbuh).
    Qu’ran state but the Hebrew Scriptures and Christian scriptures have no claim over kaba I find it very much odd

    The al Aksa and the dome of the rock stand where was a temple stood a place of Jewish worship

    You conquer it and build these mosques why should we think there is any difference of what occur for kaba? Just cause Qu’ran stated it does not works for me.


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    Badmaash_Lahori
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    Quote Originally Posted by ygalg1
    Qu’ran state but the Hebrew Scriptures and Christian scriptures have no claim over kaba I find it very much odd

    The al Aksa and the dome of the rock stand where was a temple stood a place of Jewish worship

    You conquer it and build these mosques why should we think there is any difference of what occur for kaba? Just cause Qu’ran stated it does not works for me.

    Islam does not force you to believe in it, the choice is yours. So, if you do not feel comfortable with what the Quran says, it is fine with me, and I still respect you and your faith

    I think u might be a little bit confused about the Kaa'ba (mind me if I am wrong). I respect you and your beliefs, even if they differ from Islam.
    I don't quite understand what you are trying to say. If you are meaning to say that there stood a temple which was conquered and Kaa'ba was built over it, then I have to ask you, how is it possible that there are Sanskrit scriptures (which u claim) printed on the walls of Kaa'ba?

    In the Quran it states that Ibrahim built the Kaa'ba, long before Islam came into existence. But over time, people brought other religions to the Kaa'ba and placed their idols & statues there. Then, once Islam was formed, and spread throughout Mecca, the idols & statues were removed, and it became what it is now - A place of Muslim worship, and the direction in which Muslims pray. The main structural figure of it never changed.

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    ygalg1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badmaash_Lahori
    Islam does not force you to believe in it, the choice is yours. So, if you do not feel comfortable with what the Quran says, it is fine with me, and I still respect you and your faith

    I think u might be a little bit confused about the Kaa'ba (mind me if I am wrong). I respect you and your beliefs, even if they differ from Islam.
    I don't quite understand what you are trying to say. If you are meaning to say that there stood a temple which was conquered and Kaa'ba was built over it, then I have to ask you, how is it possible that there are Sanskrit scriptures (which u claim) printed on the walls of Kaa'ba?

    In the Quran it states that Ibrahim built the Kaa'ba, long before Islam came into existence. But over time, people brought other religions to the Kaa'ba and placed their idols & statues there. Then, once Islam was formed, and spread throughout Mecca, the idols & statues were removed, and it became what it is now - A place of Muslim worship, and the direction in which Muslims pray. The main structural figure of it never changed.
    I return the same respect for you Badmaash_Lahori



    No this is not what I was saying

    Kaba is that structure that was conquered



    What Qu’ran states its Islamic sacred myth why it is only Islamic sacred myth and not shared by Jewish or Christian sacred myth (who are the people of the book)?





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    andak01
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badmaash_Lahori
    How do u know what those inscriptions are if no one is allowed to study them?

    & yes, I guess, u can say that the Kaa'ba was once a temple. It is written in the Quran & Hadees, that the people before Islam had trangressed and turned the Kaa'ba into their place of worship. It also says that there were Idols & Statues placed inside (and maybe around) the Kaa'ba. Though, this is all after Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) had built the Kaa'ba, which was much much longer ago than the time of Muhammed (pbuh).
    A place or a thing or a word can be made to have a different meaning to different people. Red and white stripes once meant a barber pole and now it is on the flag of the United States. Does that mean that we pledge alligiance to barbers??? Ford was once a place in a river, now it's a car. Big deal! Now this one is telling us that once a place was inhabited by any hindis it can't ever be used by anyone else? If there was any truth to it, which there isn't, it is a stupid premise. That's like saying that Christians in America actually worship Mother Bison because the previous inhabitants, the Indians did so. In this case, the previous inhabitants of Mecca were largely Christian and Jewish and polytheists of various ilks. Of those, Islam owes the most to the Jews and their prophets Abraham (SAW) and Moses (SAW).

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    platinum786
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    Kaba was created by Abrahama nd Ismael, they put the word of god there, afer that it was misused until Muhammed reclaimed it.

    If ther are links with hinduism it'd come as no suprise as the kaba was used as a place of pilgrimage for pagan religions and a centre of commerce.

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    Ariksan
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    Quote Originally Posted by platinum786
    Kaba was created by Abrahama nd Ismael, they put the word of god there, afer that it was misused until Muhammed reclaimed it.

    If ther are links with hinduism it'd come as no suprise as the kaba was used as a place of pilgrimage for pagan religions and a centre of commerce.
    Sorry, but I have to break it to you folks. Avraham was never in Mekka. Your fairy tale book is wrong.

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    Diving Falcon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariksan
    Sorry, but I have to break it to you folks. Avraham was never in Mekka. Your fairy tale book is wrong.
    Enjoy taking a strike at other's religion and beliefs? If I were to play the same game, how would you know that Abraham wasn't in Mecca, can you find a neutral script without a narraration of a person?

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    Badmaash_Lahori
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariksan
    Sorry, but I have to break it to you folks. Avraham was never in Mekka. Your fairy tale book is wrong.
    To you be your belief, and to me be mine!

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    Badmaash_Lahori
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    Quote Originally Posted by ygalg1
    I return the same respect for you Badmaash_Lahori



    No this is not what I was saying

    Kaba is that structure that was conquered



    What Qu’ran states its Islamic sacred myth why it is only Islamic sacred myth and not shared by Jewish or Christian sacred myth (who are the people of the book)?



    I am having difficulties understanding your post. I would appreciate it, maybe if you got somebody else to post properly in english what you r trying to say : sorry

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    Lasbella
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    It is true that the Ka'baa was once used as a place of worship by different religions, and these other / pagan religions had idols placed in the interior and on the exterior of the cubical structure what we now know as the Ka'baa.

    This was also shown by Moustapha Akkad in his movie The Message (Do rent, and watch it). The Muslims later reclaimed the Ka'baa, and transformed it into a place of Muslim worship.

    Today, the Ka'baa provides direction to Muslims in which they pray, and remember Allah (SWT) five times a day.

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    Babur
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    the locals where not hindu...

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    Lasbella
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur
    the locals where not hindu...
    They worshiped idols, they were not hindus, but they were severly misguided.

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    Babur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasbella
    They worshiped idols, they were not hindus, but they were severly misguided.
    yes you are correct.

    you see we believe many thousands of prophets where sent. and the hindus also believe in ONE LORD may be the bit about prophets got somewhat corrupt..resulting in "GOD HAS MANY FORMS AN HAS COME ON EARTH IN MANY FORMS TO REMIND US OF WHAT HE WANTS" this beliefe is somewhat similar to a muslim beliefe. similar philosophy was also adopted by the locals in that time. but there where difrences such as difrent idols, difrent languages, difrent beliefs..hindus for example burn the women with her husband if he dies..(traditionaly)...

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