Future Chinese, Indian, Israeli Alliance

[Mr. Pumps]

Don't think this is a possibility.

Well China will not support Pakistan forever if the turkish cultured Muslims in it's northwestern Uighur territory push their fight to another level.

At this point the Chinese are tolerent of Pakinsan, but any large uprising in the Uigher province will make the Chinese cold to Pakistan and all Muslims.

When that happens, the leadership in Beijing will realise alot more is gained by joining forces with the good ol Hindus, who are inturn friendswith the state of Israel, than some fanatical Muslim republic.

The 1 billion India and tiny 6 Million Israel became best buddies because of the Islamic misquito created for them a huge itch. Well, Israeli fans... once the Chinese are bitten enough by the Islamic bug to fell a huge itch don't expect them to be on the side of any Muslim nation.

Israel would do good to cater to both India and China as allies.

[Mr. Pumps]

If Israel in the middle of the abyss, the Han Chinese are experiencing:

"China's 'Chechnya': a power keg of mistrust, hatred

By Liz Sly Chicago Tribune, 10/19/99
<<Boston Globe>>"

Do you honestly think if a Islamic explosion happens it this area of China, Beijing will not harden to Muslims.

If there is a major full scale conflict with Islam all over the globe and the situation explodes .China, Israel, Russia and India will all be active involved agianst the Islamic horde.

So make the friends now to prevent isolation tommorrow when a helping hand or friend would have done some good.

[redcake]

I understand the obvious need for a brotherhood with Indian (we're already seeing the results of this) but I'm still at a loss as to why China would step in. Weren't there signs of Chinese fighting alongside the Taliban?

[takeo]

those chinese were uygur-fundamentalist fighters, not exactly in service of the Communist Party...
those theories don't work, russia is already faced with violence from islamic origin, as well as Yougoslavia and china, but those countries are good friends with other Muslim countries as iraq, Syria, Libia, or Iran.
india, as representative of the non-alined movement, always voted in the UN AGAINST Israel or abstained, never in favor.
Those countries don't think as you guys, they don't see the muslim world as one entity, because they know every country is different, you can't say the "Islamic world" as one entity as you can't compare ethiopia and Poland because they are both christian...
india is the ennemy of pakistan, not of the entire Islamic world, China is the ennemy of Uygur separatists (and their afghan friends), not of the entire Islamic world, etc.

[Night_Flight]

do you all think that alliances should be establish according to religon?

i have the impression that you want alliances for israel that have problems with muslims.

is it about religon or geography? i know israel are all surrounded by arab-muslims countries and they dont let israel to live in peace.

but this thought is wrong. iran is also muslim but israel and iran were allies in the 70's

turkey is also muslim. and Turkey is the greatest ally of israel now.

[MGB8]

You forget that the cold war ended failry recently.

Putin has been fairly warm to Israel.

While Russia still has alliance, particularly in arms-selling, with many Muslim nations, the fact that it produces its own oil and the greater the islamic fundamentalist threat, the less tolerant Russia will be of the countries that support and encourage that threat: ie. Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Syria, Lybia, Iraq.

Originally posted by takeo
those chinese were uygur-fundamentalist fighters, not exactly in service of the Communist Party...
those theories don't work, russia is already faced with violence from islamic origin, as well as Yougoslavia and china, but those countries are good friends with other Muslim countries as iraq, Syria, Libia, or Iran.
india, as representative of the non-alined movement, always voted in the UN AGAINST Israel or abstained, never in favor.
Those countries don't think as you guys, they don't see the muslim world as one entity, because they know every country is different, you can't say the "Islamic world" as one entity as you can't compare ethiopia and Poland because they are both christian...
india is the ennemy of pakistan, not of the entire Islamic world, China is the ennemy of Uygur separatists (and their afghan friends), not of the entire Islamic world, etc.

[redcake]

I'm still at a loss as to how anyone could construe China as a potential
partner for Israel.

Turkey at least had a history of religious tolerance during the Ottoman rule.
The Iran-Israel connection started a lot more covert, and was more about arms trading then mutual relations...so it's a terrible comparison.

There is a union of Muslim nations that we can't ignore. Even if they hate each other, it's been enough to unite them with dillusional dreams of a holy war. Any country that funds, or fuels this dream in any way can't possibly be a good "friend of Israel" candidate (and yes I question how loyal the US has been of late)

[kauffner]

For all three countries, their relationship with the U.S. is far more important than their relationships with each other. If, say, Israel is pro-American while China is anti-American, I don't see how they can be allies. Once the U.S. liberates Iraq, the whole worldwide Islamic threat issue will look dated and no one will be forming alliances to oppose Islam.

[takeo]

Iraq is not a fundamentalist country, Islam is much less important than Arab nationalism for the iraqi regime;
I agree however that the relations with the US are more important than shared religious values.
Russia is already 10 year faced with fundamentalist terror, particularly in Tchechnia, yet the relations with Iran, Iraq and Libia became much closer than before... (ps: all of those countries have no relations whatsoever with the Chechens, who were supported only by the Taliban, that's all that matters for the Russians)

[Evgeni]

Russia will be parters with anyone who buys russian products. this was a mistake for russia because now in grozny we see russian Ak-94 fighting Chechen Ak-47.

[Vic]

Originally posted by redcake
I understand the obvious need for a brotherhood with Indian (we're already seeing the results of this) but I'm still at a loss as to why China would step in. Weren't there signs of Chinese fighting alongside the Taliban?

There were some Uygurs there, who are not exactly Chinese: http://www.uygur.org . But then the Taliban employed - trainees? mercenaries? - from the whole world.

[Mr. Pumps]

I once heard a saying" Dire situations makes for strange bedbuddies".

With that, I wonder if multiple situations exploded at once like the India-Pakistan standoff, Israel-Palestian conflict, ethnic unstability in China and Russia would these nations not beome unified, leaving America in the Dark with NATO.

[elke]

I don't see Israel ever really not being friends with the US. While China is a powerful nation, and will likely become even more powerful, they have much catching up to do in order to even come close to the US in international clout. Israel needs all the help it can get, as far as international support is concerned, and neither India nor China will be able to provide it for many years to come.

Aside from that, there is something to be said for basic similarities and long-term amity also. While relations between countries are usually based on strategic interests rather than on friendly feelings, when a situation does not affect one's strategic interest, that country will act based on its affinities.

[takeo]

what are the affinities between Russia/India/China/Yougoslavia/israel except that they fight people who seem to belong to the muslim faith?
China is the one of best friends and weapon-suppliers of Iran, it also has excellent relations with Pakistan.

[elke]

Mostly, strategic interests here - and not only fighting the same types of people.