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Originally Posted by The Cat
I feared it would come to this... when Jews will be blamed in that manner.
There, even sites established pointing finger on Jews that Islam exist and Christianity exist and Judaism. as all three are the cause of all the problems in the world... as claimed.
What if Muslims wake up and find out they are the product of the Jews?
At least Christians have no problem with that fact
Such pressure on us...
what?
explain a little bit more. We already believe us to be descendents of Judaism. Religiously speaking that is.
Their logic is not unlike that of Hitler- he also blamed the Jews for "corrupting" the noble Pagans.
The quoted bit about the Jews "imposing their doctrines by the method of subversion" is also reminiscent of... something
Oh and the next post, about monotheist religions being intolerant of other religions... Of how many religions is atheism tolerant?
“This is a reality but I won’t deal with it in terms of recognizing or admitting it.â€
Khaled Mashaal, Hamas leader
ygalg1:
OY VEY. GEVALT. Oy... vey... you had me worried on entry to your thread for the first time. I thought, well, you know what I must have thought when I read a thread by you entitled: "TO HELL WITH MONOTHEISMS".
And, by you? Oy, what a relief to have read your real intent.
We Jews have no choice but to face the world with our great 3,500+ years of heritage and faith in The Living God of Israel. We are Jews and we Jews live in our Jewish Homeland after 2,000 years of bitter exile.
No more running for us Jews. No more hiding for us Jews. We must stand up as the Jewish Nation. We have no choice.
What is your obsession with what somebody says on other forums?
Of pretty much any that doesn't force itself on others.
Umm no, not really. Atheism, much like religions, is a philosophy seeking dominance. It sets and seeks to enforce a man-centered set of values that views the religious values as illegitimate.
“This is a reality but I won’t deal with it in terms of recognizing or admitting it.â€
Khaled Mashaal, Hamas leader
No not really. You've been reading too much LGF and John Gibson. Shakers and Quakers while not purely atheistic are pretty darn close. They don't seek to create a new world order. Similarly, Spinoza was an atheist as were many of the so called Deists who implemented the US Constitution. They didn't seek to sweep all other world views from the table either.
it ain't my intent it was the title made in other forum.
With atheism it’s a different field
We cannot speak religiously with them or anything to do with divine source.
it has to be reason for reason, fact for fact
I just hope we load of these
Well it was several weeks ago I stumble on the site by accident searching for one thing and get something else well you know how the google gives results
Some lawyer who devoted his site against the Jews for all monotheistic religion
I wanted to show his site but I lost his address.
In FFI a member recognize by moniker CAT form this thread
It triggered me
Thats why I post it here cause I believe this issue must be discuss cause the next confront will be not between monotheistic faiths but between Jews and atheism (hopefully on verbal level)
The first hypothetical question I ask if Muslims turn in whole apostate to Islam and put in trial for the mistakes that cause what cause would they be accountable or they shift the blame on us? Similar question to the Christians
The second Question how would we deal with these accusations when facing this sort of atheism?
We have to consider that without divine interruption we shooting blanks and I mean all of us Jews, Muslims, Christians
Yesterday I had a debate about existence of Abraham seems showing the source on the cave of Machpela prove nothing to them especially when it was claiming that Adam and eve buried there was the last straw
Last edited by ygalg1; 10-23-2005 at 07:24 AM.
(You read my mind)Their logic is not unlike that of Hitler- he also blamed the Jews for "corrupting" the noble Pagans.
The quoted bit about the Jews "imposing their doctrines by the method of subversion" is also reminiscent of... something
Oh and the next post, about monotheist religions being intolerant of other religions... Of how many religions is atheism tolerant?
Should make a thread on that part "how many religions is atheism tolerant?"
Hmm it would be interesting to see the responses on that
Some issues that concerns us I believe not to be ignored
Quakers would be very surprised to find out that they are "close to atheistic".
Spinosa was a pantheist. It is not the same thing as atheism, and recoginizes the existence of God- it doesn't recognize God as a personal God involved in worldly affairs. Kind of like Church of God the Indifferent in one of Kurt Vonnegut's novels.Similarly, Spinoza was an atheist
Deists also recognize God. A Deist is one who believes in the existence of a God or supreme being but denies revealed religion.as were many of the so called Deists who implemented the US Constitution.
Atheism, as opposed to all of the above, is denial of the very possibility that God exists. Atheism is driven primarily by the notion that religion is in conflict with the scientific truth. Quoting Emma Goldman's "The Philosophy of Atheism",
The philosophy of Atheism has its root in the earth, in this life; its aim is the emancipation of the human race from all God-heads, be they Judaic, Christian, Mohammedan, Buddhistic, Brahministic, or what not. Mankind has been punished long and heavily for having created its gods; nothing but pain and persecution have been man's lot since gods began. There is but one way out of this blunder: Man must break his fetters which have chained him to the gates of heaven and hell, so that he can begin to fashion out of his reawakened and illumined consciousness a new world upon earth.
Only after the triumph of the Atheistic philosophy in the minds and hearts of man will freedom and beauty be realized.
In other words, Atheism is just as much an agressive and prozelitysing a belief system as any religion out there.
“This is a reality but I won’t deal with it in terms of recognizing or admitting it.â€
Khaled Mashaal, Hamas leader
But, the Jewish heritage is all about 3,500+ years of faith in the Living God of Israel, and 3,000+ years of Torah, which was revealed to Moses and the Jewish People at Mount Sinai, by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
The Jewish heritage of our faith in God and His Torah is NOT about a Jewish "religion" in places like Brooklyn, but as the governing constitution and legal framework of the united sovereign Jewish People, under God, in all their God given Land of Israel, with Jerusalem as our undivided capitol.
From Abraham to Arik. And, Arik lectures the world at the United Nations about the Jews receiving the Torah at Mount Sinai from God, and then proceeds with his expulsion of Jews from their God given Land.
The danger is with "Jewish" leaders like Arik Sharon who don't know the difference between The Living God of Israel, and themselves.
yes yes like I said, too much agendized Michele Malkin, I think.
steve I have you on ignore. don't bother.
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