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    Hamas Cleared for Palestinian Government

    Hamas Cleared for Palestinian Government
    By Michael Rand

    (www.IsraelForum.com) -- Under intense pressure from the State Department, Israel announced a reversal in its policy regarding the upcoming Palestinian elections. Until now, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon promised that Israel would block Hamas candidates from running in the Palestinian’s January elections. Now, however, Israel will allow the elections to proceed without interference.

    Tzipi Livni, Israel’s Justice Minister and spokesperson for the Sharon government, said on Israel Radio that Israel would not try to hamper the January 25th election even if Hamas ran for office.

    In the past week, the United States decided to publicly back the Palestinian position, which is to allow Hamas candidates to run for leadership of the next Palestinian government. The apparent reasoning is that the paramount American interest is in bringing democracy to Arab countries, even if terrorist groups like Hamas are among the chief beneficiaries of the democratic process.

    With considerable popularity among the Palestinian population, Hamas is certain to capture many – if not most – of the leadership positions at stake in the elections. There is even a good chance that the Hamas could win the presidency and prime-ministry of the Palestinian Parliament.

    Jihad Against America? No Problem

    Hamas is currently on the United Sates’ list of terrorist organizations, and has recently issued threats against the United States, among them calls for Jihad against American troops in Iraq. Hamas is also responsible for the slaughter of American citizens in dozens of suicide bombing attacks.

    The radical Islamic organization enjoys financial support from the same elements in Saudi Arabia who are tied to al Qaeda, and has ties to Iran and Hizbullah.

    While comparable to the United States allowing Osama bin Ladin to run for office in Canada, the State Department is insistent that Israel must allow Hamas candidates to ascend to power in the imminent Palestinian elections.

    "Hamas is a brutal terrorist organization, responsible for countless acts of senseless violence and murder against Israeli civilians. And as long as they are a terrorist organization, armed to the teeth, they are not a legitimate political partner," said Mark Regev, spokesman at the Israeli embassy in Washington in a radio interview.

    Step One Democracy, Step Two Theocracy

    On the other hand, the Palestinians were successful in whitewashing the Hamas candidacy as what they claim is part of a democratic process. "The way to one authority, the way to one gun, the way to public order has to go through the road of elections," Palestinian spokesman, Saeb Erekat stated.

    But Hamas itself denounces democracy as being contrary to its declared goal of instituting a Muslim theocracy which is based on waging a terrorist war of Jihad against Israelis and other non-Muslims. Still, the organization understands that its best chance of ascending to power is through the American-sanctioned elections. Once in power, the organization will ruthlessly implement its Islamic rule, armed with more weaponry and legitimacy then ever before.

    In fact, it is conceivable that governments worldwide will soon be rolling out the red carpet for Hamas leaders who will be placed at the helm of the Palestinian government. Hamas has gained enormous popularity among the Palestinian electorate. Its chief political rival, the Palestinian Authority is tainted with allegations of theft of public funds and widespread corruption that has left the Palestinians in dire poverty despite multi-billion-dollar donations from Europe and the United States. Much of the foreign aid has found its way into Yasser Arafat’s Swiss bank accounts and some in his wife’s French bank accounts.

    Funded with Saudi and Iranian money, the Hamas has launched a myriad of charitable institutions that have helped the terrorist organization to garner popular support in the Palestinian Street and abroad.

    Against this backdrop, Hamas seems poised to win a seat at the helm of the future Palestinian State, with U.S. backing and forced Israeli consent. The result is the foregone conclusion that the Palestinians are now busily laying the foundation for a terrorist State that will be stand alongside Israel. The new terrorist State is guaranteed to perpetuate the Middle East conflict and the global Jihad responsible for the slaughter of tens-of-thousands of innocent civilians.


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    What do you think about this issue?

    In what way would a State of Hamas-stan affect chances for peace?
    Last edited by NewsGuy; 10-24-2005 at 07:16 AM.
    "All we are saying is give peace a chance." - John Lennon

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    why????????????????????????????????????????????

    It just kills me.

    Israel has been suffering from terror from the day that the UN has declered that there will be a Jewish country in 1947 (and that's if we ignore the Arebian terror against the jews in Israel during the British rule...), but still the world community sits in silence...

    why is this sudden change???????????????????????????????????????????? ???? I mean if Hamas is currently on the United Sates’ list of terrorist organizations, then why let it run in the elections????? I mean will you let the Taliban or El-Kaida run in the Pakistenian elections???

    I will understand if this will come from Europe, who doesn't even recognize Hamas as a terror organiztion (they call them "militant groups"), but from the 9/11 beaten USA???????????????????

    In the end it is all politics: The US (or more acuretly - Bush's administration) needs a victory in adleast one project after katrina and Iraq, so in the recent visit of Abu-Mazen (the palastinian leader) in the white house he was able to (sadly) convince Bush that the Palastinian authority is not ready to deal with the hamas.

    Lies I tell you!!!!!!! All lies!!!!!!!
    So now instead of destroying terror like he promissed... Bush supports it...

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    Hamas are better organised than the PA

    Hamas have more credibility amongst Palestinians because they actually provide social welfare, hospitals, medical care, and take care of them far better than the PA does.

    Suicide bombings aside, they are very well organised, and of course well funded, and nowhere near as corrupt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima
    Hamas have more credibility amongst Palestinians because they actually provide social welfare, hospitals, medical care, and take care of them far better than the PA does.

    Suicide bombings aside, they are very well organised, and of course well funded, and nowhere near as corrupt.

    another garbage!

    The reason the Palestinian Arabs support the Hamas because they view that Palestinian Arab terrorist organization as a group capable to stand up to Israel and the Jews. It lifts up their pride. Had the Jews just had not defended themselves it would have done wonders for the Arab pride in genearal and the Palestinian Arab, in particular. Unfortunately, the nasty Jews do defend themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima
    Hamas have more credibility amongst Palestinians because they actually provide social welfare, hospitals, medical care, and take care of them far better than the PA does.

    Suicide bombings aside, they are very well organised, and of course well funded, and nowhere near as corrupt.
    A couple of cruise missles directed a Hamas blood rally would change that perception real quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima
    Suicide bombings aside, they are very well organised, and of course well funded, and nowhere near as corrupt.

    Holocaust aside, Hitler was a rather progressive socialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima
    Hamas have more credibility amongst Palestinians because they actually provide social welfare, hospitals, medical care, and take care of them far better than the PA does.

    Suicide bombings aside, they are very well organised, and of course well funded, and nowhere near as corrupt.
    Unfortunately, what you say is true.

    Hamas is regarded by Palestinians as being an improvement over the corrupt PA. Hamas has also been very successful in buying the gratitude of poverty stricken Palestiians by distributing their Saudi and Iranian blood-money to those in need.

    Still, it does not change the fact that the essence of Hamas and its guiding principle is waging a Jihad-genocide against all non-Muslims. True, it makes them all the more popular among Palestinians, and it makes them heroes in the Muslim world, but it excludes them as a possible peace partner.
    "All we are saying is give peace a chance." - John Lennon

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewsGuy
    Unfortunately, what you say is true.

    Hamas is regarded by Palestinians as being an improvement over the corrupt PA.
    Still, it does not change the fact that the essence of Hamas and its guiding principle is waging a Jihad-genocide against all non-Muslims. True, it makes them all the more popular among Palestinians, and it makes them heroes in the Muslim world, but it excludes them as a possible peace partner.
    you are wrong,

    Hamas don't even target non israeli jews. They only target those who occupy their land, they have said that loud enough.

    And they are not waging a war against all non Muslims , stop exaggerating

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediocrates
    Holocaust aside, Hitler was a rather progressive socialist.
    Hitler was voted in. Germany wasn't living under the threat of the 4th largest army occupying their land.

    There is no comparison to Hamas and Hitler.

    Hamas regard occupieres as their enemy. Hitler was a genocidal maniac.

    No comparison,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toga
    another garbage!

    The reason the Palestinian Arabs support the Hamas because they view that Palestinian Arab terrorist organization as a group capable to stand up to Israel and the Jews. It lifts up their pride. Had the Jews just had not defended themselves it would have done wonders for the Arab pride in genearal and the Palestinian Arab, in particular. Unfortunately, the nasty Jews do defend themselves.
    Excuse me? what are you talking about?

    The disengagement came about because......

    THE 4TH LARGEST ARMY COULDN'T DEFEAT THE SUICIDE BOMBERS

    What was that you said about Jews defending themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewsGuy
    Hamas Cleared for Palestinian Government
    By Michael Rand

    With considerable popularity among the Palestinian population, Hamas is certain to capture many – if not most – of the leadership positions at stake in the elections. There is even a good chance that the Hamas could win the presidency and prime-ministry of the Palestinian Parliament.
    If this ends up being so, will Hamas fund these sort of operations? teaching the young children in schools like this?
    http://www.sky.com/skynews/picture_g...2864-7,00.html

    (7 photographs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima
    you are wrong,

    Hamas don't even target non israeli jews. They only target those who occupy their land, they have said that loud enough.
    They've killed Americans, does that count? They've killed all sorts of people.

    And they are not waging a war against all non Muslims , stop exaggerating
    That speaks to means not intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima
    Hitler was voted in. Germany wasn't living under the threat of the 4th largest army occupying their land.

    There is no comparison to Hamas and Hitler.

    Hamas regard occupieres as their enemy. Hitler was a genocidal maniac.

    No comparison,
    Sure there's a comparison, you just kill people on buses without driving them to the gas chambers first. The fact that Hamas runs schools and whatnot is more of a recruiting tool than a social support agency, by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima
    Excuse me? what are you talking about?

    The disengagement came about because......

    THE 4TH LARGEST ARMY COULDN'T DEFEAT THE SUICIDE BOMBERS

    What was that you said about Jews defending themselves?


    That sounds like a threat, is it a threat? Maybe you'd be happier posting somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediocrates
    They've killed Americans, does that count? They've killed all sorts of people.



    That speaks to means not intent.
    Hey Mediocrates, Hamas have clearly stated,

    OCCUPIERS ARE THEIR ENEMY ONLY. NOT AMERICANS. and that too, only whilst the occupation is in force.

    proof...the settlers who left Gaza expressed a wish to take up Palestinian citizenship and live under Palestinainan rule in the future. Both Hamas and the PA and the other Islamic groups,said they'd be welcome if they took up Palestinian citizenship.

    It is very stupid of you to keep comparing Hitler with Hamas, Hitler's land wasn't occupied, he had dreams of wiping out all Jews, Hamas have nothing against Jews as such, and even if the occupiers had been another religion, they woudl have faced the same wrath.

    In short, Hamas are fighting for sovereignty over land, and Hitler was a genocidal maniac.

    Stop comparing the two. Having said said that, i don't approve of the suicide attacks on Israeli civilians. That doesnt' negate the fact the Israel withdrew from Gaza becaouse they could't defeat terrorism there. Do you deny this? Why did the disengagement take place? It took place because the terrorism made the place too expensive for Isreal to keep occupying! It took it's toll on the Israeli economy!

    Please stick to facts and don't twist my words.

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