Iraqi majority despise foreign occupation and endorse attacks on coalition troops

[Muslima]

Index ranks Middle East freedom



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Published: 2005/11/18 19:25:06 GMT

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Toga these are completely different points to the ones we were discussing. I am not saying that the situation in the Mid East is exlempary or Islamic in todays world, but thats because they don't have an Islamic system of rule, they have nationalistic ones. Even Saudi and Iran do not, though they call it Islamic, it's not.

We were talking about dhimmitude and the Islamic system of rule. Let's be clear that the Mid East countries today are nationalistic and not under a Caliphate.

THE ISLAMIC SYSTEM OF RULE IS A CALIPHATE. DHIMMITUDE ONLY APPLIES IN A CALIPHATE.

And if you read history, you will see it worked well. The golden age of your people came about under dhimmitude in an ISLAMIC CALIPHATE.

Islamic civilisation led the world, at that time.

[Toga]

"Today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race".

President Musharraf

[Toga]

Saturday, 16 February, 2002, 16:04 GMT
Musharraf berates Muslim world

Musharraf wants young Muslims to study in the West

By Zaffar Abbas in Islamabad

Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf has said Islamic countries will remain backward unless they concentrate more on scientific and technological development.

Muslim nations are internally involved in fratricidal conflicts and perceived by the outside world as terrorists with little attention being given on their uplift, he said.

General Musharraf made his comments in an address to a conference of science and technology attended by ministers from Muslim countries.

President Musharraf said the time had come for Islamic nations to take part in collective self-criticism.

Once such an assessment is made, it would not be difficult to realise that the entire Islamic world was far behind the developed world, he argued.

'The most unhealthy'

The Muslim Ummah, or the Islamic world, he said was presently living in darkness.

"Today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race," he told the delegates.

Musharraf wants to rid Pakistan of extremism

President Musharraf then made a comparison of the economic growth in Islamic countries with some developed countries.

While the collective Gross National Product of the all Muslim countries stands at $1,200bn, that of Germany alone is $2,500bn and that of Japan $5,500bn.

He said one of the main reasons for this disparity was that none of the Muslim countries had ever paid any attention to educational and scientific development.

He asked the countries participating in the conference to concentrate on scientific and technological development in order to compete with the developed world.

The real jihad

The Pakistani leader suggested the setting up of a multi-billion dollar fund for such a purpose.

Beside this, he said, there was a need for creating centres of excellence in the field of science and technology.

He also called for the creation of scholarships for young scientists to seek knowledge from universities in developed countries.

President Musharraf described it as the real jihad, or holy war.

Unless this was done, the Islamic world and Muslims would always be perceived as backward, illiterate - those who only indulge in extremism and violence.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1824455.stm

[Truthful Mind]

Saturday, 16 February, 2002, 16:04 GMT
Musharraf berates Muslim world

Musharraf wants young Muslims to study in the West

By Zaffar Abbas in Islamabad

Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf has said Islamic countries will remain backward unless they concentrate more on scientific and technological development.

Muslim nations are internally involved in fratricidal conflicts and perceived by the outside world as terrorists with little attention being given on their uplift, he said.

General Musharraf made his comments in an address to a conference of science and technology attended by ministers from Muslim countries.

President Musharraf said the time had come for Islamic nations to take part in collective self-criticism.

Once such an assessment is made, it would not be difficult to realise that the entire Islamic world was far behind the developed world, he argued.

'The most unhealthy'

The Muslim Ummah, or the Islamic world, he said was presently living in darkness.

"Today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race," he told the delegates.

Musharraf wants to rid Pakistan of extremism

President Musharraf then made a comparison of the economic growth in Islamic countries with some developed countries.

While the collective Gross National Product of the all Muslim countries stands at $1,200bn, that of Germany alone is $2,500bn and that of Japan $5,500bn.

He said one of the main reasons for this disparity was that none of the Muslim countries had ever paid any attention to educational and scientific development.

He asked the countries participating in the conference to concentrate on scientific and technological development in order to compete with the developed world.

The real jihad

The Pakistani leader suggested the setting up of a multi-billion dollar fund for such a purpose.

Beside this, he said, there was a need for creating centres of excellence in the field of science and technology.

He also called for the creation of scholarships for young scientists to seek knowledge from universities in developed countries.

President Musharraf described it as the real jihad, or holy war.

Unless this was done, the Islamic world and Muslims would always be perceived as backward, illiterate - those who only indulge in extremism and violence.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1824455.stm

I've noticed that President Musharraf tends to tell the truth more than other Muslim leaders. Can someone tell me why this is?

[takeo]

Index ranks Middle East freedom

INDEX OF POLITICAL FREEDOM
Israel: 8.20
Lebanon: 6.55
Morocco: 5.20
Iraq: 5.05
Palestine: 5.05
Kuwait: 4.90
Tunisia: 4.60
Jordan: 4.45
Qatar: 4.45
Egypt: 4.30
Sudan: 4.30
Yemen: 4.30
Algeria: 4.15
Oman: 4.00
Bahrain: 3.85
Iran: 3.85
UAE: 3.70
Saudi Arabia: 2.80
Syria: 2.80
Libya: 2.05
Source: EIU

The analysts found little evidence of democratisation in some countries.

Sitting at the bottom of the table, Libya has long had a reputation as one of the world's worst violators of human rights.

Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's government has also long restricted freedom of expression and independent political activity.

Saudi Arabia held its first ever exercise in democracy in February 2005 when it held municipal elections, but remains an absolute monarchy that has resisted pressure for reform.

Syria, meanwhile, is renowned for its authoritarian rule even though there has been a degree of liberalisation under President Bashar al-Assad.

Progress

Though there are few surprises at the bottom of the table, the top five may raise eyebrows.

It contains three of the most volatile parts of the region: Lebanon, the Palestinian Territories and Iraq.


FREEDOM INDICATORS
Election of head of government
Election of parliament
Fairness of electoral laws
Right to organise political parties
Power of elected representatives
Presence of an opposition
Transparency
Minority participation
Level of corruption
Freedom of assembly
Independence of the judiciary
Press freedom
Religious freedom
Rule of law
Property rights
Source: EIU

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...st/4450582.stm

Published: 2005/11/18 19:25:06 GMT

© BBC MMV

Yet the US is supporting most of these regimes, these countries also belong to regions where American interferance has been overwelming for decades on a row.
By the way I think freedom is the lesser of worries Arabs have. Their first concerns are good jobs, available facilities such as education, hospitals, etc. and a good economy.

[takeo]

Today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race," he told the delegates.

Not completely true actually, in India, which isn't Islamic 100's of millions of people live in unhealthy conditions and are deprived, weak, illiterate and backwards. Black Africa and some south-East Asian even some Latin American countries are much poorer than the Muslim world.

But it's true that religious extremism, bad and corrupted leadership, and too much foreign colonial and neo-colonial influence had a devastating effect on the muslim world.