Home | How was it racist?That really wasn't my question but I'm not amazed by your answer either, being borderline racist or at best incredibly narrowminded.
As for your question, its impossible to answer. There is no "anglosphere" successful at integration and alot of Europe is NOT "fundamentally unable" to assimilate while others are.
Ossian asked it before. How small do you think Europe is? Saint-Denis is not Europe.
Is that what you think? You think that the moslems have been rioting in France because France is anti-Israel??? You really "think" that the moslems of France are pro-Israel? I think that this is just a weak, absurd attempt to push your antisocial agenda.Originally Posted by Northlander
Well..... let's hear your intelligent plan for dealing with terrorist prisoners. What would you do with rabid, dangerous Islamic killers, take them into your home?
You are crying tears for the Islamic terrorists at Guantanamo? You would really like these perverted killers released to Sweden?
Of cource thats not what I think, dont play stupid. And dont ask me that!! If you read the thread you will see that others blaim these riots partly on France being anti-Israeli. I wanted clarification and got it from MGB8.Is that what you think? You think that the moslems have been rioting in France because France is anti-Israel??? You really "think" that the moslems of France are pro-Israel? I think that this is just a weak, absurd attempt to push your antisocial agenda.
Good answer and thank you for it, I get your position MGB8. Needless to say, I dont agree to anything in it but at least it describes a common opinion here I guess. I could use analogies too on Israeli policies if you like. It would be more along the line of parents going over their neighbours, killing their children and then get really surprised when the neighbouring parents kills theirs in revenge.
I guess we just have different views on appeasment. Caution and strategy is not always weakness. You can choose to act or not to act and for many reasons other than cowardice and courage.
We had one of our citizens there and he was released! Why? Because he was innocent!!! So let me ask you this, how would you feel about being mentally and physically tortured for years, not getting to know what your crimes where? You would also be constantly humiliated and beaten because you were, for example Jewish. Exactly how would that be seen for other Jews for example and how would you look upon your capturers?You are crying tears for the Islamic terrorists at Guantanamo? You would really like these perverted killers released to Sweden?
There are not a single terrorist on Guatanamo, just suspects. More and more are released. Its a concentration camp for torture, aimed at frightening the enemy, nothing else. Well, its not working I think we can agree on that. It has probably created a few thousand new potential threats though.
Of course it is what you think. You brought it up. It is an absurd thought on your part, and it is even more absurd to think that Jews would think that violent French moslems were pro-Israel. But, it was a main point of your post.
You started your post with "Seems that many pro-israelis here think France gets these riots because they have been anti-israel. Please explain. French young 2nd generation north africans rioting because France is anti-Israel?"
Personally, I think that it was a very weak and dishonest attempt, by you, to push some stupid, worthless agenda of yours. You probably woke up feeling lousy and wanted to spred your misery to others. Won't work. But...... I'm sure you'll try again.
I'm infuriated by people obsessing on race and ethnicity. You missed the point completely.
That's an unfounded statement. And without trying to side with this administration, most of those prisoners are not considered terrorists but some vague definition of enemy combatant. Maybe that's a minor point but it changes the reasons why people were grabbed up to begin with.
BTW many countries, even some in the west hold 'suspects' of various crimes for openened periods of time. Habeus Corpus is not a universal legal construct. Maybe it should be but it's not.
So is that good or bad? I think it's good.More and more are released.
Then they do a pretty poor job of promoting it, don't they. Isn't that a bit over the top to think the whole thing is a charade?Its a concentration camp for torture, aimed at frightening the enemy, nothing else.
It's probably created more people who don't like us, as you yourself indicate. I'm not convinced it's an inspiration for people to actually get off the sofa and kill someone.Well, its not working I think we can agree on that. It has probably created a few thousand new potential threats though.
I'm agnostic on the issue. I think that it probably does some intended good and some intended bad and some unintended bad. I think also that a few hundred people rounded up is in the big scheme of things, geopolitically incidental. Without getting into the whole 'well they do that kind of thing too', I'd say that after some defined period of being locked up and interrogated they should be either charged or released.
Mehdi-Muhammed Ghezali, 23, was flown back to Sweden at the cost of over $68,000 of Swedish taxpayer money. Ghezali was captured on the battle field fighting along-side the mad dog Islamic extremist Taliban.
You want dangerous killers like Ghezali as your neighbor? You want ALL of the terrorists at Guantanamo released to continue their violence throughout this world? Your ideas are illogical and are possibly harmful to, not only others around you, but to yourself.
Mehdi Ghezali, is a Muslim Swede:
-- was arrested by Pakistani troops and handed over to US authorities.
According to this Swede, he was kidnapped by Pakistani villagers shortly after crossing into Pakistan from Afghanistan where he was visiting a friend.
Swedes do that all the time - "yep, just visiting a friend in a concentrated war zone with an AK-47".
The village just happened to be on the Pak side of Tora Bora, he was accidentally in the area when the Northern Alliance captured Tora Bora - hundreds of al-Qaeda and Taliban streamed across the hills and valleys close to this village.
He was just walking along minding his own business.
The villagers sold him to Pakistani troops who then gave him to the Americans.
Poor guy -- glad he's back in Sweden safe and sound.
^_^
More Northlander logic? Do you stay up at night crying because the violent, mad dog Taliban lost the ability to torture and maim innocent families in Afghanistan? You believe that taking up a gun and creating a living hell in Afghanistan along side the Taliban, is normal behavior?
You have some serious problems, my friend.
You get my point. Innocent until proven guilty.That's an unfounded statement. And without trying to side with this administration, most of those prisoners are not considered terrorists but some vague definition of enemy combatant. Maybe that's a minor point but it changes the reasons why people were grabbed up to begin with.
Probably bad from an american security perspective. After what they have been through anything can happen. They also has friends, family and a story to tell to anyone that wants to listen. They have been given a reason to hate if I every saw one.So is that good or bad? I think it's good.
Poor job? Doesnt anyone know by now that when you are fighting USA your are "illegal combatant" and ends up in a camp somwhere be it in Cuba or Egypt. Its been on every channel the last years.Then they do a pretty poor job of promoting it, don't they. Isn't that a bit over the top to think the whole thing is a charade?
Im not so sure. Cant really say for sure, since its not me or my people. But if it was my innocent brother that came home from there for just being Swedish in the wrong place, that would have been another matter maybe...It's probably created more people who don't like us, as you yourself indicate. I'm not convinced it's an inspiration for people to actually get off the sofa and kill someone.
These are still not convicted humans! Where ever did humanity go agnostic or not? I just hope you imagine how it must be being "interrogated" for years when no answer is good and you know you are innocent to anything you think they might have taken you for.I'm agnostic on the issue. I think that it probably does some intended good and some intended bad and some unintended bad. I think also that a few hundred people rounded up is in the big scheme of things, geopolitically incidental. Without getting into the whole 'well they do that kind of thing too', I'd say that after some defined period of being locked up and interrogated they should be either charged or released.
Hey whatever man. That gun toting criminal is back in YOUR country. So YOU deal with him.
Northlander is a Swedish dhimmi. He probably lives in Muslim Malmö. Well stay there.
How can anyone think that these riots have nothing to do with terrorism against infidels is beyond me.
I thought these kids wanted jobs yet they go burning churches and synagogues around France. The funny thing is while putting religious buildings in flame, the just "happened" to miss the Mosques.
Not rioting against christians, jews??????????????? Yeah right. Idiots are those who feel sorry for those young Muslim scum.
There are other ways of searching for jobs than burning holy sites.
Ever heard of an employment office?!
Yes, because as we know, 14 - 16 year olds have no job prospects! So they are upset and rioting. SO upset mind you, that they burn their own schools. Now they have no jobs and no education!!! See how evil L'Whitey is!?!?
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