Home | how about....Originally Posted by Ossian
- You give me a list of 5 current conflicts where Muslims are specifically being targeted by other cultures, religions, etc.
- And then I'll give you a list of 10 conflicts in which Muslims are "coming for" others.
However, I will not show you mine until you show me yours.
They're demand that Bush submit a UNSC resolution for PeaceKeepers to restore order.
The Arab League supports the measure and promises to contribute thousands of troops as infantry and tank divisions.
Russia - promises several squadrons of MIGs
Germany - (eh... slight image problem - promises to send money)
The Axis of Weasels are again back together, just like the good 'ol days.
Looks like the USA is isolated once again, John Bolton promises a veto and is screaming at the podium on the UN floor:
"No Blood for wine!"
That means I'm going to join a peace movement and demonstrate against any illegal military action!
viva le resistance! vive le freedom fighters! ^_^
So then who is to be the next French Mother Sheehan?
You talk like my dear Korean Friend Hyu-Sak-Kok
"how about....
- You give me a list of 5 current conflicts where Muslims are specifically being targeted by other cultures, religions, etc."
Only one MTJ, not a conflict but being where they are threatened by racists with agendas, In Britain, France and Germany.
With regards to,
"First they came for the Muslims but I was not a Muslim so I did not speak out..."
I realise it was over blown and possibly bad taste to use that 'poem' but i was quoting CanDo and imitating her/his really crass use of it. Can-do, who seems to want to wipe all Muslims off the map by the way, and for some bizarre reason, doesn't understand why i don't agree with him/her.
[.. Algerian immigrants in France on Tuesday slammed a decision by President Jacques Chirac to tackle widespread rioting by invoking an emergency law created 50 years ago to quell unrest in their homeland, calling it a "provocation".
Abdelhakim Bouziane, a 79-year-old who left his native Algeria for France after being forced to fight for the allies during World War II, said the decision to dust off the 1955 law brought back unpleasant memories.
"I never thought that they would dare to do this, it's really a provocation for those of us who lived the humiliations, the torture, the round-ups during the war of independence," he said, his eyes shining with anger.
The law, approved for use Tuesday by the French cabinet with Chirac at its head, was originally conceived to stem an insurrection in Algeria, then a colonial province of France.
It was ultimately unsuccessful; after a 1954-1962 war, Algeria became independent, but only after extraordinary brutality from both sides. Many of the Algerians who fought for Paris during that time were forced to emigrate to France.
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He was arrested several times and lost a friend who was among scores of Algerians killed when police herded them into the Seine river in Paris during a 1961 demonstration in support of the liberation struggle.
"We suffered so much from this law, we, the Algerians here and those over there (in Algeria). It's shameful that it still exists and that the government is slapping us in the face with it -- us, poor Algerians from the suburbs who fought for France and who worked hard being treated like dogs!"
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"France has not only not given up its colonial past, but it's now brought it back to centre-stage. It's disgraceful," Boualem Yahia, 45, said, before muttering sardonically: "Ain't French democracy great?" ....]
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=14976
sad indeed -
For those who want to keep up with the latest on this 13th night - FoxNews has provided a map to it's viewing audience to track all the developments tonight.
http://www.eupolitique.com/images/i0...e_hotspots.gif
^_^
I'm sorry, but your exercize in moral relativity or (inverse relationships) has proved futile. You could not give me any examples, meaning your quote is simply not reliable in today's terms. The racism they may feel is not exclusive, in fact, it is common to most minorities around the world.
No, in fact no one is "coming" for the Muslims, not here, not in France, not anywhere. The last time that was occuring (Kosovo/Bosnia/Croatia, etc.), the US had to step in and save the Muslims from the Serbs (something the Euros had no intention of handling themselves). So my main point is that you need to take off the rosey multicultural glasses and admit that fact.
And CanDo stated in another thread that he is a proponent of transfer, not genocide. I don't agree with either, but there is a distinction. I'm quite sure I haven't seen him state that he wants "to wipe all Muslims off the map".
Bottom Line: Not everyone in life is a victim, there aren't three sides to every story, there is such a thing as good and evil, and yes, the Arab World and the rioters in France are UNCIVILIZED. If you want to keep believing that though, I suggest you pursue a career in "lifelong education", because college campuses are the only places where moral relativity holds any meaning. The rest of us working adults have gotten over the spoon fed multicultural utopian theories already.
Last edited by minusthejihad; 11-08-2005 at 12:47 PM. Reason: Freudian slip: changed threat to thread :)
TOULOUSE 22:00 local time
Rioters are out in force to directly challenge Sarko and the curfew -- battle is on going. A dozen cars were torched.
Reuters - yahoo.fr
and this:
Eyewitness - "Moslems attack Protestant church"
[..The roof is completely destroyed. ..]
^_^
A few more atrocities at the hands of so-called "peaceful" moslems, at places all over this world, and I could be made to change my mind.
http://www.france-echos.com/
http://www.frontnational.com/ (watch this video made in 1999)
you mean islamists, big, big difference!
Please read my post, i think you are forming judgements without reading my posts based on who or what you think i am or am trying to prove, I know some of postees are keen on buzz words like 'moral relatavism' or 'revisionism' just try to think outside the box for a moment and try to understand what my posts are actually driving at, not at what you presume they are.
"I'm sorry, but your exercize in moral relativity or (inverse relationships) has proved futile.
What exercise was that? Who is using moral relativsm? Me or You? I think, and post, that all discrimination and hatred of people based on their ethnicity or religious group rather than their own individual merit is wrong. You agree MTJ? Yes Or No?
If its yes then we are agreement over my posts re Islam, because is is about a fair and decent society in Britain that i care about, one that recognizes that everyone is entitled to be judged solely on actual merit...not on someone else's opinion.
I agreed i don't know any examples other than the one i stated...the one i did state however and one which i think i am rather qualified to state than either of you MTJ or CanDO since it is ME that lives in Britiain, me that actually KNOWS British Muslims, and me that get's filthy BNP literature pushed through my letter box ABOUT Islam.
Oh and MTJ i am aware that the British National Party hate other minorities. That's why i hate them.
If i noticed a thread in a usually respectable website denouncing all of British OR European Sikhs or Hindus or Jews i would be on them too, trying to argue the case for sanity.
"the rest of us working adults have gotten over the spoon fed multicultural utopian theories already"
P.S I've been working FULL TIME since I was 15 MTJ, i am not spoonfed. Just so you know.
Last edited by Ossian; 11-08-2005 at 03:13 PM. Reason: bloomin spelling
France is recieving the justice it deserves.
France can not do anything about this riot except appease, otherwise they will no longer have the moral right to tell Israel how to deal with its extremists. Furthermore as this sort of rioting spreads to the rest of Europe i cant help but to say, "you deserve it", and Europe does. This is the result of anti-semitism, appeasement to islamofacsism and Eruopes constant anti-israel sentiment.
i doubt europe will learn anything from this... and thus their problems will continue and grow
I promise you, these riots would not be so widespread in Germany. Why? Because the Germans ARE tough enough to crush first and take care of social issues second. Or maybe they aren't anymore. The French just may lack the backbone... which would be very sad. France is a beautiful country which has contributed much to the West... but, on the other hand, it has stabbed its former liberator in the back, and its natural alliances, in utter self-service and thumbing its nose at its former friends.
Its a sad state of affairs...
Hopefully France gets it act together, acts tough, crushes this, and then deals with both its internal and political problems.
regardless of germany's stance or frances... they have been put in the exact position they deserve... either they take it, suffer and only make the rioters push for more... or alternatively they Violently end the riots, in which case they will never again be able to lecture israel on how to handle their extremist problems
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