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Last edited by L@mplighterM; 07-13-2002 at 09:55 PM.
As far as I’m concerned whatever the name of the terrorist organization thet are all the same. If one makes a threat to use chemical weapons I firmly believe they speak with one voice.
In an earlier thread named “Palestinians Preparing Chemical Warfare" Cerulean posted the following article:
http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=11493
Friday, April 19, 2002
IDF finds 12 liters of poisonous bromine hidden in Arafat's Ramallah compound
Aaron Lerner Date: 19 April 2002
The following is IMRA's translation of part of an item by investigative reporter Yoav Yitzchak's report in today's Ma'ariv:
The Palestinians, perhaps with Iraqi inspiration, have begun preparing a chemical arsenal for their war against the Jews. I have learned from information brought to my attention that on April 10 six suspicious tubes were captured in the Mukata building in Ramallah [IMRA: Arafat's compound] and each of them contained two liters. They were buried in a sandbox, apparently due to their fragility and in light of the dangers associated with their content.
A short check proved that they contained bromine. The IDF Technology Unit removed the tubes from the location.
Bromine is a volatile liquid, of brownish-red color and it is extremely poisonous if inhaled. It is a corrosive that dissolves tissue, particularly in humans. It is dangerous if inhaled even at a concentration of one per million. Very low concentrations of the chemical are used in the production of flammable material, disinfectants and in the pharmaceutical industry.
A small quantity (say a few hundred cc) out of the total quantity seized could cause - if for example it is attached to an explosive device - considerably damage and even cause mass murder in such closed areas as shopping malls.
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The article clearly indicates that they had/have in their possession materials that could mass murder Jews. There’s no question in my mind that they will use it at some point in time.
If they are getting money from Iraq, it's logical to assume that other things may be forthcoming as well. When people say that Iraq does not pose a threat to the US, EU, other Arabs, - they are dreaming!
I'm waiting for takeo's
"yes this is bad, buuuuuuut........"
Well. if this really happens you can be sure the Palestinians will be dealt with no matter what the world would say or for that matter do. All gloves will be of.
Yes, I don't think the Palestinians, Hamas or any other terrorist organizations would use chemical weapons except at a very strategical moment, because they know it would be their end after the Jews got done with them.
I think they would use whatever is at their disposal. To date they have laced the nails, screws or whatever shrapnel they have used with rat poison and cyanide. If other lethal substances were readily at their disposal they would use that as well. Up till now the heat from the explosions have eliminated the lethal effects of those substances.Originally posted by Micah
Yes, I don't think the Palestinians, Hamas or any other terrorist organizations would use chemical weapons except at a very strategical moment, because they know it would be their end after the Jews got done with them.
The refinery incident could have had severe consequences luckily it didn’t. The IDF prevented a planned attack on an office building that again could have had a devastating effect on the civilian population.
To underestimate the Islamic Fundamentalist terrorists would be a grave mistake. Could or would Israel conduct itself differently if it was subjected to a chemical attack? I don’t think so.
Yes, but lacing with Rat poison won't get as much coverage media-wise as much as a "dirty bomb."
I am not underestimating them in the least. Infact, I am even going as far as to say that they have some brains that they wouldn't commit practical suicide...
HOLY SHOOT THEY ARE ALREADY DOING THAT!
How did media coverage get into this?Originally posted by Micah
Yes, but lacing with Rat poison won't get as much coverage media-wise as much as a "dirty bomb."
I am not underestimating them in the least. Infact, I am even going as far as to say that they have some brains that they wouldn't commit practical suicide...
HOLY SHOOT THEY ARE ALREADY DOING THAT!
Originally posted by Micah
Yes, I don't think the Palestinians, Hamas or any other terrorist organizations would use chemical weapons except at a very strategical moment, because they know it would be their end after the Jews got done with them.
Arafat never has shown any compunction to sacrificing his own people to the cause and to the world's perception of it. It can only be to his advantage to invite a massive retaliation, or as is more likely, a small response painted as a massacre while at the same time claiming that it's not his fault....
and so on, you fill in the rest...
Here's a little background for you:
-in the 1980s, the Israeli prime minister said that if the "Margarine People" (thats what i call palestinians since they are an artificial creation) ever used guns or explosives in the first intifada instead of rocks, "there would be no more of them."
-last year, the Israeli govt said if the Margarines shot Kassam-2 rockets into Israeli proper "that would be crossing a red line" that would lead to a massive response.
Should the arab scourge decide to use chemical weapons, i wonder if the Israelis will apply the same empty promises of a "fierce response." It has reached the point now that Israel is for all intents and purposes, psychologically defeated. The ferociousness and sense of purpose that existed prior to the lebanese war, the zionistic focus has evaporated like a pond in the sinai in july.
Friends and i have spoken about a "Transfer Plan" not involving the margarines, but between US and Israeli Jews. 5 million of us for the 5 million in israel, as we would do WHAT IT TAKES to crush the arab filth. It would be real simple, the minute a terrorist attacks, the town that terrorist and his family lived in w/b obliterated, with the land conquered, the remaining margarines expelled, and so on, until there are no pal towns left (assuming they couldnt stop the terrorism). As Americans (and most rational people), world opinion means absolutely NOTHING when faced with a mortal threat. Massive retaliation for even the smallest infraction - then the attacks would stop. Collective punishment works extremely well in army training, and would do so here.
Israel's greatest mistake of the last 50 years has not been not only not responding to terrorism as they should, as bad as that has been, but feeling it necessary and making the effort to EXPLAIN TO THE WORLD WHY they needed to respond. Once they opened the door to the anti-semites and leftwing trash with their soliloquoys, they set the table for pressure to not retaliate no matter how badly they were hit. And these days, it seems that the israelis are just waiting around to be hit with a massive attack, since they refuse to crush the Hamas filth in Gaza.
If they are hit, and the israeli govt does not use massive, lethal, and overwhelming force in the face of such an attack, i might reconsider my current involvment and activism, which involves many different organizations and fronts, to support the nation of israel. Its that bad, as i see it, and i am no longer willing to suppport them in the face of 55 years of history repeating itself in the current terrorism.
The unwillingness of Sharon to take the necessary steps while justifiably disregarding vapid "World Opinion," is incredibly distressing to me. I dont know what it will take for that govt to wake up but i hope they do soon, and not after many more lives have been lost. There is a reason the margarines are hated and have been expelled by nearly the entire arab world, including Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait, and Egypt. By allowing your enemy to see weakness and exploit it without a proper response just makes your destruction a matter of time.
I also see a lot of weakness coming from the Israeli Government and I wonder if something is happening behind the lines that I’m not privy too.
It’s difficult to fight a war today especially if you’re Israel and the US. If Israel was another Arab Nation and they had to deal with the Palestinian issue I’m certain thousands if not the entire population would be eliminated. No mercy children, women and men would be exterminated.
Sharon doesn’t have that option unfortunately and that is for a variety of reasons. Pressure from the US, the International community and the following economic impact prevents him from going the distance.
I can’t see Israel behaving like other Arab nations when it comes to dealing with this difficult issue. It seems like its going to get a lot worse before it gets better. A long lasting peace seems impossible if one is going to use history as a yardstick.
Whether anyone wants to believe it or not eventually the Islamic Fundamentalists will use weapons of mass destruction. Sadly it’s just a matter of time before these madmen acquire chemical weapons. Iraq has already unleashed poisons on their own inhabitants and neighbors. The individual that ordered the use of poison is still in power twenty some years after the attack on Iran.
Yes, we all know deep inside that at some point the Islamists will succeed in pulling off some horrendous attack against Israel, killing not 10 or 20, but hundreds or even thousands.
At that point Israel will have to respond with much, much more deadly force. There will be no choice. Israel is too small to absorb multiple such attacks. Therefore, it would have to respond so violently that it would intimidate its enemies -- or at least convince the decent people within their societies that they must do something to stop the terrorists that they harbor.
I feel fairly certain it will come to just that. I hope Israel's military planners are working on a stratregy for just how to respond.
Personally, I would expel the Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza. Use the borders that nature has provided, such as the Jordan River. Stop trying to get along with mass murderers, and just let them know that when they attack they will receive a 100-fold response. Make it so painful for them that they stop drawing maps with Palestine encompassing Israel, but istead draw maps that simply are blank or cut off where Israel stands.
Islamists are living in the 7th century. They are consumed with hatred. They are shameless liars and mass murderers. Perhaps some day they will grow up. We will know it when we see an Arab democracy, or Islamic leaders clamoring for modernization.
But don't hold your breathe.
Expelling the Palestinians is not a bad idea however I would favor the actions that other Arab Nations would take.
the actions that they HAVE taken. The American Sephardi Federation is undertaking a 2-year project to highlight the mass expulsion and ethnic cleansing of Jews from almost all of the arab countries from 1948 to the 1960s.Originally posted by L@mplighterM
Expelling the Palestinians is not a bad idea however I would favor the actions that other Arab Nations would take.
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