Originally Posted by AraV
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I want to believe you, but I've heard so many lies on this forum that I need solid proof. Can anyone give the exact anti-semitic quotes of theodorakis with trustworthy links? Untill that moment Theodorakis is still a great composer and some people hate him because he's Greek and because he resisted the US-supported military tiranny and contributed to the restoration of Greek democracy.
And, illumus, Churchill was a European too, so was De Gaulle, so was Stalin, so was Tito, etc. without these people nazism would have won the war and killed all Jews in Europe. But I guess you don't care since they would only kill European Jews and you hate everything European, right?
(sorry for the people on this board who haven't lost their mind but they told me you have to talk to them in their own language and logics...)
how about
-- Copyright 2003 by Agence France-Presse --
good enough?
Greek Jewish leaders denounce remarks by "Zorba" composer Theodorakis
and there's even film footage.
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First of all I would like to have the whole speech, since clearly these sentences belong in a context and do not make sense separately.Film footage showed neither minister reacted when Theodorakis said Greeks and Jews "are two peoples without kin, but they had fanaticism and self-knowledge and managed to prevail."
"Today, we can say that these little people are the root of evil," said Theodorakis, 78, a committed leftist and political activist who was jailed under the fascist junta that held power in Greece in the late 1960s and early 1970s.
Theodorakis rejected the Jewish Council's criticism, saying he had "always been on the side of weak, fighting for their rights, including the Israeli people.
As far as I can judge from what is posted here he says greek and Jews have the same caracteristics (which is true by the way to a certain extend), and since he's a Greek nationalist as all Greeks this is not meant in a negative way. I'm sick and tired of people abusing the word antisemitism for purely political reasons, it means we don't have any force left to combat real anti-semitism, which is alive and kicking especially in the Arab world. "Anyone who doesn't support Israeli policy is perdefinition an anti-semite, anyone who doesn't support bush is per definition an anti-semite, all europeans are per definition anti-semites", etc. etc. everyone who reads this forum is used to these sickening lies of unreasonable fanatics (yes, exactly, but fanatics do exist in every people on earth, but on this site they seem to be overrepresented).
http://jeffweintraub.blogspot.com/20...blem-2004.html
Question: Mr. Theodorakis, on November 4, 2003 you said in this house the words that shocked Jews and non-Jews across the world. You said that the Jewish people are at the root of evil. What did you mean?
Answer: "For me the root of evil today is the policy of President Bush. It is a fascist policy. I cannot understand how is it that the Jewish people, who have been the victims of Nazism, can support such a fascist policy. No other people in the world support those policies but Israel! This situation saddens me. I am a friend of Israel. I am a friend of the Jewish people. But the policy of Sharon and the support for the policy of Bush darkens the image of Israel. I am afraid that Sharon is going to lead the Jews - just as Hitler led the Germans - to the root of evil."
Even today, 10 months later, you don't think you made a mistake when you uttered those words?
"No, but it's important for me to emphasize that I never said that the Jews are the root of evil. I said they are at the root of evil."
So you have no regrets?
"No. And I was very much hurt by the Jewish reaction to what I said. It was not a civilized reaction. I got hundreds and hundreds of poisonous e-mails from Jews all over the world. I couldn't understand this hatred toward me. I fought against racism all my life. I was for Israel. I wrote "Mauthausen." After all that, how could I become from one day to the next an anti-Semite?"
Let me explain to you the context for this reaction. Many Jews have a renewed fear of Europe. We are afraid that there is a new kind of anti-Semitism in Europe. So when you said what you said there was a feeling of thou too, Brutus. There was a feeling that even our old friend Theodorakis turned against us.
He put the finger at the right spot, altough not very sensitive perhaps. (perhaps he tought he would never be accused of anti-semitism since he defended the Jewish people on many occasions) It's true that many people are abusing the trajedy that happened during WWII to dismiss all criticism. And every remark made about the Jews or Israel, are interpreted as anti-semitism. But if we can make remarks about national caracteristics of the French( common and plentyfull on this site and in the US, while noone is interpreting this as racism) and about the people of the US (equally plentyfull, especially in Europe) why not about Israel and Jews in general? (altough i think it's very difficult to say something about Jews in general, since it's such a diverse community, scattered all over the world with as many opinions and lifestyles as there are jews, and theodorakis should have mentioned that there are many Jews who don't support Bush and Sharon, at all)
What an effing poser. Seriously. But why would we be shocked at the gyrations some racist fool like that would go through nor the efforts of a useful idiot like you to justify it? I've known for years you have no integrity thanks for showing the rest of the people here.
A similar case is the case of London mayor Livingstone, he's accused of being an anti-semite but as far as I can see people hate him because he's a leftwing and opposed the war in Iraq as well as the current government of the US.
And mediocrates, you just accuse without giving any arguments, which is of course typical since you know very well you don't have a case. I think there should be a law preventing the abuse of the word antisemite. Hitlerians, neo-nazi's etc. are anti-semites, many Arabs are anti-semites, but someone like Theodorakis can not be accused of anti-semitism, not because of one sentence which has been badly interpreted while he has even made films about anti-semitism in Greece, about the concentration camps and always sided with the Jewish people.
http://www.mikis-theodorakis.net/mauthe-e.htm
The whole issue is political, rightwing fanatics, fascists really, are trying to find arguments to hurt a famous leftist, who opposed the US-supported military junta and who currently opposes the US-government. In israel I can see fanatics compare Rabin with Hitler, this is the same kind of abuse, and the "decent rightwing" in israel or the US should react much stronger to this abberations.
No people hate him because he's dishonest. He's just a 21st century refined racist w/o even to courage to stand up and state plainly what he means. Crypto fascists and their camp followers are the lowest form of trash because they think they can beguile everyone all the time.
So you think you can read his mind, that despite of his words, his films, his music, his life, he's an antisemite in the closet?
Yes I can. I can read yours too. You think you're clever.
Now I'm going to sleep so feel free to beat your head on the keyboard for a few hours.
I don't think so, I am...
Can you also read the future?
I don't want to know any further details of your SM-fantasies...
post #19 [..First of all I would like to have the whole speech, ..]
He didn't give a speech - he made a few comments at a "reception for the publication of his autobiography, an event covered massively by the Greek media."
takeo writes: [.. Can anyone give the exact anti-semitic quotes of theodorakis with trustworthy links? ..]
Done
-- Copyright 2003 by Agence France-Presse --
Greek Jewish leaders denounce remarks by "Zorba" composer Theodorakis
It was so bad that according to the AFP:
[.. (Greek) Government spokesman Christos Protopapas sought Wednesday to distance the government from Theodorakis' comments at the reception, which despite the number of journalists present were only repeated in one small right-wing daily.
"The government does not share and is not in agreement with the opinion expressed by Mr. Theodorakis," ..]
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again, with the Haaretz interview, Theodorakis trys even harder
Theodorakis: [.. it's important for me to emphasize that I never said that the Jews are the root of evil. I said they are at the root of evil." ..]
are ....are at ....
to be ...or not to be...
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● I'd like to thank takeo for providing Jeff Weintraub's weblog that contains the entire Haaretz interview -- the following is in the blog:
[.. Theodorakis basically reaffirms his antisemitism while protesting his innocence of it and proclaiming, "I am a true friend of the Jewish people."
^_^
There's a very big difference between "the root of evil" and "at the root of evil". Indeed it's no exaggeration to say that the middle East is at the root of evil.
How is he reaffirming his antisemitism?
You have showed on this site to be a racist and you distribute hatred against Europe and Europeans yet at the same time you accuse others of racism. Theodorakis has proved to be a friend of the Jewish people, trough his movies and his life. He was also active in the resistance against the nazi's, which saved quite some Jews in Greece. My grandmother always told me to look at someone's deeds not his words.
The Agence France-Presse quoted Theodorakis:
[..Today, we can say that these little people are the root of evil ..]
The Haaretz interview quoted Theodorakis's revision:
[.. it's important for me to emphasize that I never said that the Jews are the root of evil. I said they are at the root of evil." ..]
Then takeo claims that:
[..There's a very big difference between "the root of evil" and "at the root of evil". ..]
........and what might be that difference?
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