Palestinian family donates son's organs to save Israeli children

[sharonbn]

That is correct. I think the more interesting tale is the one of the Palestinian section head of transplant surgery at the Hadassah hospital who works every day to not make any distinction where parts come from and where they go. He just works side by side with Israelis and does his job with a minimum of heroics.

One does not come at the expense of the other. They are both beautiful stories and examples of humanism at its basic core. Its not that common or taken for granted.

I, for one, did not expect the parents to donate organs to the people from which came the killers of their son. I am not sure if I could do that when I'm striken with grief and anger. Put yourself in the shoes of the parents and maybe you can see the greatness that they demonstrated. then again, I'm probably asking too much.

[Mediocrates]

Why would you think that? It's not that hard a leap.

[sharonbn]

like talking to a wall

why why why is it that hard to understand????????????
I am talking about such basic human emotions and reaction. all but socipaths are supposed to "get" it.
please please see if you can follow this simple logic.
its makes an assumption that you're of the human race with normal human feelings...
1) the boy was innocent, not a terrorist.
2) his parents loved him. parents often love their offsprings. its an animal thing.
3) he was shot down by Israeli soldiers, the enemy of the Pal people.
4) the boy died.
5) the parents MUST be still in shock, not sure if they realise what had happened. they are certainly in great emotional pain and distress.
6) when people are in distress, they tend to seek someone to blame, its a common trait among members of the human race.
7) Who can the parents blame for the unexpected, unprovoked tragedy that fallen on them? hmmm... Israeli soldiers? yep, that would be my wild guess. the road is not that far from there to blaming all Israelis, all Jews.
8) now the same Jews, the ones who sent the soldiers who killed their beloved innocent child - the same people have the nerve to ask the parents to help save lives of Jews
9) NORMAL human reaction - that of grief and anger - wuld be to refuse the request. that is regardles of political orientation. its a very basic reaction - one that every human is supposed to at least understand (if not justify)

[Ophra]

But like I said to the originator of this thread, Thank the Lord and Savior Rabin that it wasn't a Haredi victim or a Haredi beneficiary else she's be chanting to feed the parts to dogs.

Nice try Medio.... but if you care to wipe the blinding hate out of your eyes you might notice that it was Womble who started this thread .... and I was the one who mentioned the Scottish Orthodox family from Glasgow whoes son lost his life during one of the bomb attacks on a bus . I thought it was a wonderful thing for them to have done.... as I think it was a wonderful thing for the Palestinian family to have done.
You and Steve are the ones who call us dogs and other abusive names on a daily basis..... so don't throw stones in glass houses .

[Mediocrates]

I understand that. I don't actually find it that remarkable. I really have seen this kind of thing many times. People aren't all that hard to decode and most people at least most of the people I've met who have objections about donation have them on reasons that are based on exogenus factors such as relgious objection. I find, and this may amaze you, that people who are receptive to organ donation are generally receptive to organ donation and don't generally qualify it. I have found and this may amaze you as well that people who place specific objections, such as 'don't give my corneas to those dirty Jews' generally are not supportive of organ donation. They claim they are but they never appear to get around to a set of conditions that they can support.

BTW I do sometimes work with people who circumvent the US laws on organ donation by seeking directed donors outside of the US. I'm actually kind of familiar with this. I've helped send people to South America for care for instance where the ethical proscriptions are different than in the US. I'm only explaining to you how the thing really works and what kinds of decisions work their way through it.

Imagine if you will for example, a clinically dead child who was probably brought to an Israeli hospital in the first place. The question is raised. But the issue for the hospital is who they have on hand who can receive the donor tissue. They don't contact Ramallah or Moscow. They work within the parameters they have. So the family, if they are receptive to the idea are going to give a straightforward answer yes or no based on the logisitcal parameters they were handed. Now I'm sure my little example is not 100% correct but it's pretty close.

One would think that Jews could separate ethics from sentimental emotions. I'm not telling you anything we don't regularly study in Torah and Talmud.

[Mediocrates]

Odd that you would find dispassionate support of either ethical decision to be 'sociopathic'. The pop view is that sociopaths know right from wrong but don't care. But ethical evaluations have to be made outside the boundaries of deciding something based purely on emotion; not strictly in terms of good and evil, right and wrong. That's what makes them difficult ethical decisions.

[minusthejihad]

Over the years here I have seen many articles about Jewish victims of terrorism whose families have donated the organs to Palistinians. However, I have yet to see:

- A cult of personality built around them
- A shrine for these people for Palestinians to come worship to
- Discussion, even acknowledgement of the incident at any alternate forums such as Ummah.com or EI.com

And do you know why?

REALITY

[SteveK]

Nice try Medio.... but if you care to wipe the blinding hate out of your eyes you might notice that it was Womble who started this thread .... and I was the one who mentioned the Scottish Orthodox family from Glasgow whoes son lost his life during one of the bomb attacks on a bus . I thought it was a wonderful thing for them to have done.... as I think it was a wonderful thing for the Palestinian family to have done.
You and Steve are the ones who call us dogs and other abusive names on a daily basis..... so don't throw stones in glass houses .

Ophra,

I hope you get the next available brain.

By the way, your line of "so don't throw stones in glass houses" should actually read "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

When your brain transplant is complete, then I'm sure that you will see your error in the usage of this expression.

[Reffo]

As far as I am concerned, a good deed is a good deed, no matter who did it and we have to recognise it as such. And these bereaved Palestinian parents have behaved like decent human beings, I wish there would be more like them and less unfortunate incidents such as the one that took the life of their innocent child.