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Here is a collection of Rand corporation research papers on the criteria and method for a successful Palestinian state. Their approach is 'Day-2', that is, once statehood is achieved, what are the requirements for successful development and operation of a state.
Some of these papers are quite long. See also on the right side under 'Related Publications'.
http://www.rand.org/publications/MG/MG146/
Last edited by Mediocrates; 11-16-2005 at 06:37 AM.
Wow thanks! This is a very interesting document. I just downloaded the entire pdf. I plan to read the entire thing.
Again, thanks for link!
Mediocrates: Thanks for the link. Only now I started reading the Rand study, which appears to be very thorough and in good randian tradition.
Of the many topics of the study that merit discussion, this one caught my eye first:
Rapid population growth …will tax the physical and human capital required to provide education, health care and housing, and it will place a heavy financial burden for funding these services on a disproportionably smaller working-age population.
In another section of the study, the number of refugees willing to settle in a Palestinian State is estimated between 100.000 and 500.000 ( Rand estimates are higher).
The above considerations mean that the idea of granting exiled Palestinians free immigration into the State according to a “Law of Return” is not a viable alternative. On the contrary, such State once established should try to limit the inflow of refugees down to a “symbolic minimum”. All this stresses the point that a solution of the refugee problem should be primarily aimed at improving their living conditions in the countries where they are now leaving (mostly Lebanon and Jordan) and their integration as citizens of those countries. Regarding Palestine, once the State is established, the UNRWA should stop its aid and re-direct the funds through governmental channels so that the State will seek ways to integrate them as citizens into established population centers.
As I said, thre's quite a number of other topics that merit discussion and I hope we'll get to them on this thread.
Last edited by Mediocrates; 01-14-2006 at 03:02 PM.
JORDAN IS PALESTINE
(The first paragraphs are omitted due to length of text.)
Thus the promise of the Jewish National Home was withheld in Eastern Palestine, remaining in Western Palestine. And finally, on May 25, 1946, the national identity of the Palestinian Arabs was recognized, when Abdullah was proclaimed King of the Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan. This proclamation was of doubtful legality. For example, in its presentations to the League of Nations (which existed until April 19, 1946) and the United Nations, the British falsely claimed that Palestine and Transjordan were separate Mandates, a falsehood now repeated by many who challenge the fact that Jordan is Eastern Palestine. But in 1955 Jordan (ten years later) was admitted to the United Nations. Its legality is thus accepted, and it is the Palestinian Arab Nation-State, or, stated another way, it is the Arab State in Palestine.
The Jewish people are entitled to the land of Eretz Israel that is West of the Jordan River. The Arabs on the other hand have had their self-determination on 77% of the Mandate for Palestine East of the River now called Jordan since May 25, 1946…
Let the two peoples, Jews and Arabs live there SIDE BY SIDE in peace and friendship. And it is not necessary in order to do so to give up either any part of the 23% of the Jewish Democratic nature of the State of Israel, nor to dislocate the 77% of the Palestine Mandate now called Jordan where Palestinian Arabs are the majority.
http://mideasttruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3778
and
Jordan is Palestine. Palestine is Jordan.
This is the royal decree and sentiments of two of the kings of Jordan.
"Palestine and Jordan are one..." said King Abdullah in 1948.
"The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan," said King Hussein of Jordan, in 1981.
Let's closely examine the facts of history from the Arab perspective, rather than the Jewish one, regarding Jordan and Palestine.
"Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is only one land, with one history and one and the same fate," Prince Hassan of the Jordanian National Assembly was quoted as saying on February 2, 1970.
Accordingly, Abdul Hamid Sharif, Prime Minister of Jordan declared, in 1980, "The Palestinians and Jordanians do not belong to different nationalities. They hold the same Jordanian passports, are Arabs and have the same Jordanian culture."
the rest of the article: http://christianactionforisrael.org/...04/jordan.html
will Arab east Jerusalem be returned to Palestinians?
not right now, Aziz. but if an independent palestinian state is formed in the remainder of the west bank and gaza and that state becomes a place that arabs in east jerusalem want to be citizens of, I don't see how israel can keep it forever. right now, many arabs living in east jerusalem prefer their status because of the rights and benefits they receive from israel.Originally Posted by Aziz
I like your signature Mira
Can terrorist claim and create an independent state? I'm sure they would use east Jerusalem as launch-site for their rockets
Interestingly the Hamas have not moved to make some grand gesture over the Dome of the Rock. Having won the election in true Diebold-Republican style, one would think they'd have decreed all of the al Aqsa offlimits to infidels forever, etc etc etc..... but they haven't. Curious.
They are to busy running the cartoon-riots and look for big spenders to build an army
Love the phrase "infidel"in our language we use to say "he/she is totally `fidel`" meaning that one is feeling well
I think you misunderstand Hamas a little, Med,
Here is what Khaled Mishaal (head of Hamas) said the other day,
"Our message to the Israelis is this: we do not fight you because you belong to a certain faith or culture. Jews have lived in the Muslim world for 13 centuries in peace and harmony; they are in our religion "the people of the book" who have a covenant from God and His Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) to be respected and protected. Our conflict with you is not religious but political. We have no problem with Jews who have not attacked us - our problem is with those who came to our land, imposed themselves on us by force, destroyed our society and banished our people."
full article here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Sto...698702,00.html
and another thing, it isn't just the Al Aqsa that Muslims hold dear, it's the entire land, the land of the Prophets
Unfortunately, Muslima, Khaled Mishaal is only one leader among thousands of clerics and govt. leaders that has the courage not to make his statements anti-Jew and anti-Jew only.
Yes, there are more of men like Mr. Mishaal, but they are overshadowed by the violent extremist sentiment so prevalent today.
It doesn't matter how they sugarcoat their hatred. Justice will be served when every single Hamas leader, operative, comptroller, etc. is a pile of smoldering dust in a crater in the ground in gaza.
That's the attitude that reinforces Medio's theory of a long grinding offensive (Thread:A just peace or...)
I don't know what Mishaal has said before, but you have to admit that it is a step in a peaceful direction.
Can you be a bit more explicit here Minus,
Give me examples of their "hatred", that they sugar coat.
And Genghis-Tom, Hamas have always said what Khaled Mishaal re-iterated here, he didn't say anything new.
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