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    Ban Qur'an in UK ?

    Christian group may seek ban on Qur'an

    Stephen Bates and Julian Glover
    Wednesday October 12, 2005
    The Guardian

    A Protestant evangelical pressure group has warned that it will try to use the government's racial and religious hatred law to prosecute bookshops selling the Qur'an for inciting religious hatred.
    Christian Voice, a fringe fundamentalist group which first came to public prominence this year when it campaigned against the BBC's broadcasting of Jerry Springer The Opera, was among the evangelical organisations taking part in a 1,000-strong demonstration against the bill outside parliament yesterday as the House of Lords held a second reading debate on the measure.
    Its director, Stephen Green, said the organisation would consider taking out prosecutions against shops selling the Islamic holy book. He told the Guardian: "If the Qur'an is not hate speech, I don't know what is. We will report staff who sell it. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that unbelievers must be killed."


    The sectarian organisation's tactics have regularly appalled other Christian groups. Its website proclaims its right to protect its own freedom of speech in attacking other religious groups: MPs "have no right to try to stifle our freedom to preach the gospel. It is not just Islam which is the problem. If a preacher is explaining the horrors of Hinduism ... a charge of stirring up religious hatred would be almost inevitable. Preaching against sin in general, or adultery or homosexuality in particular, may also land a preacher in court."
    The bill has seen a wide range of Christian groups making common cause with secularists. Yesterday the Catholic church, while welcoming the measure in principle, expressed doubts about the drafting of the legislation, as have Church of England bishops. A Church of England spokesman said: "We regard the test of stirring up hatred to be a strong one which would be unlikely to penalise preachers or comedians going about their normal business. However, we wish to be reassured that the formulation of the offence will distinguish clearly between words and actions which incite hatred and expressions of opinion which are merely controversial or offensive."
    During yesterday's Lords debate the former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey said that it "threatens civil liberties".
    "I am troubled by the bill before us and feel that rather than strengthening the social fabric of our society it would weaken it. It has the potential to drive a wedge between the Muslim community and the rest of us," he said.
    He was joined in opposing the measure by the Bishop of Winchester and the former Lord Chancellor Lord Mackay, who questioned its failure to define religious belief.
    But the lord chancellor, Lord Falconer, told the upper house that "the bill will not have the impact on freedom of speech which opponents say it will. Incitement to religious hatred represents a gap in the criminal law and it is right that it be filled." Most of the Christian running against the bill has been made by evangelical groups.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/S...ticle_continue

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    savvy
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    I don't think the U.K. wil do any such thing.

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    Muslima
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    This ignorant pressure group should read The Quran first

    Otherwise their stupid case will blow up in their faces!

    Islam is spreading worldwide faster than any other religion (conversions everywhere) Maybe that's what the real reason is?

    Maybe they should read the Bible first! I mean imagine if someone were to launch a pressure group for banning the bible because it contains, murder, incest, violence, cannibalism etc. etc.

    Sheesh,

    Grow up Evangelicals!

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    savvy
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    Islam is spreading worldwide faster than any other religion (conversions everywhere) Maybe that's what the real reason is?
    Islam is not the fastest growing religion. Muslims are the fastest growing population.

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    chimpsky
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima
    Islam is spreading worldwide faster than any other religion
    And Bird Flu is spreading worldwide faster than any other illness. I don't think that makes it good or bad.

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    savvy
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    And Bird Flu is spreading worldwide faster than any other illness. I don't think that makes it good or bad.
    So is Aids, prostitution and crime!

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    chimpsky
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    Quote Originally Posted by savvy
    Islam is not the fastest growing religion.
    Actually it is... in prisons. And that is a fact. A positive or negatove one, that I won't speak on either.

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    Muslima
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    To Savvy, Islam has always had the higest numbers of converts

    Quote Originally Posted by savvy
    Islam is not the fastest growing religion. Muslims are the fastest growing population.
    Yes, but Islam attracts more converts than any other religion in every country, and also has the lowest rates for those that leave the faith. That is because Islam is truth and light
    700 years younger than Christianity, yet much more influential and attractive.

    Check the links below and weep They are only the tip of the iceberg......now what were you saying about Islam's population growth?


    Islamic Britain lures top people
    Nicholas Hellen and Christopher Morgan
    The Sunday Times - Britain
    February 22, 2004
    http://www.therevival.co.uk/articles...IC_BRITAIN.htm


    Catholics turn to Islam as faith conversions rise
    By Jonathan Petre
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../03/nrel03.xml

    The new face of Islam
    The phenomenon of educated, white, middle class English converts to Islam.
    by Nick Compton
    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/l...rticles/360513

    Is Prince Charles a Convert to Islam?
    Sept. 4, 2005 update
    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/119

    Thousands Of British Elite Embrace Islam: Study
    http://www.islamonline.net/English/N...rticle03.shtml

    Increasing Number of Russians Adopting Islam
    Created: 04.10.2004 18:
    MosNews
    http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/10/04/islam.shtml

    Russia's Turning Muslim, Says Mufti"
    by Daniel Pipes August 6, 2005
    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/495

    Islam Takes Root in Ukraine
    Gyorgy Lederer: 4/6/01
    A EurasiaNet Extra
    http://www.crimeatau.org.ua/project/islam/itriu.html

    Russia: Dawn of Islam in Siberia
    http://www.islamicpopulation.com/Siberian_muslims.html

    (Australia) Christians converting to Islam
    November 18, 2003
    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...?oneclick=true

    Islamic converts increasing in Australia
    AM - Saturday, 27 August , 2005 08:06:10
    Reporter: Lisa Millar
    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1447377.htm

    (Spain) Where the Moors Held Sway, Allah Is Praised Again
    By Craig S. Smith, The New York Times
    October 21, 2003
    http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/other/spain.html

    25,000 Italian citizens have converted to Islam - Feb. 15th, 2002
    http://www.italiaplease.com/eng/mega...2002/02/islam/

    Islam on rise in Belgium
    Jul 26, 2005, 13:59 GMT
    http://news.monstersandcritics.com/e...e_1036899.php/

    Switzerland - Putting their faith in Islam
    Publié le: 14-03-2005
    Around 30,000 women in Switzerland have converted to Islam, according to a
    recent report by an organisation for Muslim women.
    http://www.meknes-net.com/actualites...le.php?id=3395

    Muslim converts on the Rise in Germany
    http://thetruereligion.org/modules/x...?articleid=379

    Choosing Islam: a Study of Swedish Converts
    Sultan Social Compass.1999; 46: 325-335.
    http://scp.sagepub.com/cgi/reprint/46/3/325

    Why some 3000 to 5000 ethnic Danes have converted to Islam in recent years
    ?THE COPENHAGEN POST:
    http://www.cphpost.dk/get/79365.html

    Former Christian Priests and Missionaries who have Embraced Islam
    http://thetruereligion.org/modules/x...php?category=1


    Part 2 Islamic converts- Israel-Asia-Africa-USA-worldwide

    Jews converting to Islam 26 Cheshvan 5766, Monday, November 28, 2005
    True believers
    By KSENIA SVETLOVA

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull


    Most Chinese Jews convertd to Islam
    http://faculty.rmwc.edu/fwebb/buck/e...ewishcommunity

    Problems that face Israeli Jews who convert to Islam
    Joseph Algazy, Haaretz 12 Dec. 2002
    http://oznik.com/words/021212.html

    Rabbi of Makhachkala synagogue embraced Islam (Russia)
    http://eng.islam.ru/newmuslims/rabbi/

    "Jewish Extremist" Converts To Islam
    http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART/884/607.html

    Anxiety in Israel as hundreds of Jews convert to Islam
    (Agencies)7 June 2004
    http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...middleeast&col


    (South Africa) Converts swell Muslim ranks
    10/11/2003 07:52 - (SA)
    http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/...442747,00.html

    .(Continent of Asia)
    Islam attracting highest numbers of converts in Asia
    Updated 16th June 2002
    From Rod Davies, Orient Pacific Century ::
    http://www.asiamarketresearch.com/asia/

    South Korea: Islam is this country's fastest growing religion.
    Sources: The Korea Times 11-22-2002
    http://www.islamkorea.com/english/articlean1.html


    Singapore: 500 Convert To Islam Every Year
    by Vivi ZainolSaturday 22 November 2003
    Source: The Straits Times
    http://islamicsydney.com/story.php?id=1294

    Islam wins new converts in Mexico 07-02-2002
    http://www.finalcall.com/internation...07-02-2002.htm

    USA -300 000 converts to Islam in American, PRISONS
    http://mediaguidetoislam.sfsu.edu/in...c_converts.htm

    US Latinas seek answers in Islam
    from the December 27, 2004 edition
    http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1227/p11s02-ussc.html



    The United States of Islamexica?
    By Julia Gorin
    FrontPageMagazine.com | September 1, 2005
    http://frontpagemagazine.com/Article...e.asp?ID=19341


    Below are links with conversion figures listed by country

    Prominent Converts to Islam (Europe & Worldwide)
    Austria,Denmark, France, Germany, UK, USA
    http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemo..._index.php?l=6

    Islam the Fastest Growing Religion
    http://www.islamawareness.net/Fastest/

    Islamic Converts in the News
    http://thetruereligion.org/modules/x...php?category=4

    Islamic Converts Around the World
    http://www.themodernreligion.com/con...t_websites.htm

    Islamic Conversion reports from countries worldwide
    http://www.islamdefenders.com/convert/index_convert.htm

    ISLAMIC CONVERTS
    http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/res...d=464_0_23_0_C

    ISLAM: FASTEST GROWING RELIGION ON THE PLANET
    http://www.islamicinvitationcentre.com/articles
    Last edited by Muslima; 02-22-2006 at 12:17 AM.

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    KSO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima

    Is Prince Charles a Convert to Islam?
    Sept. 4, 2005 update
    www.danielpipes.org/blog/119
    .html
    Is that really something muslims should be proud of?

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    Muslima
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    chimpsky, can you comment on the conversion links i posted

    Quote Originally Posted by chimpsky
    Actually it is... in prisons. And that is a fact. A positive or negatove one, that I won't speak on either.
    Why is that the prison converts get all your devoted attention Chimpsky can you comment on the other links i posted, expecially the Israeli's converting to Islam.....and the others worldwide....

    Regards

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    chimpsky
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    I'm not so sure that is something to brag about, especially "Jewish Extremist Converts to Islam"! LOL!

    Anyway, the reason more Muslims have converted to Christianity is because Christians stopped "conversions by sword" years ago.

    Anyway, what's with the deal with prosetlyzing anyway? Don't you already have enough hungry Muslims in the poverty strick Muslim World to feed. Let's hope all the converst are Malaysians.

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    chimpsky
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima
    expecially the Israeli's converting to Islam.....
    Who cares? As far as I'm concerned its one less dumb Jew to feed. "Take all the Jews you want, I don't need them" - Larry David

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    Muslima
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    Religion has no gain, it is for spiritual strength only, Savvy

    Quote Originally Posted by savvy
    So is Aids, prostitution and crime!
    To compare crime to a religion is the height of ignorance. Aids is not chosen it is an affliction, and prostitution is a profession.

    Religion is none of the above, it is chosen soley for love and spiritual strength. Dolt!

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    chimpsky
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima
    Religion is none of the above, it is chosen soley for love and spiritual strength. Dolt!
    Or to keep women down! dOH!

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    savvy
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    Religion is none of the above, it is chosen soley for love and spiritual strength. Dolt!
    Yea, who can refuse 72 virgins and wine in heaven

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