Home | This is a sick and disturbing commercial.
They actually make the nutcase bomber look heroic!!!!
This is the reason Israel should take all measures to defend themselves at all costs. These people are insane!!!
I actually saw this on TV sometime ago. I was very surprised
They have always been showing propaganda against Israel but recently since the new president came in power they have been openly supporting suicide bombings against Israel.
The last time the atmosphere in Iran was like this was right after the revolution and during the Iran-Iraq war. I have a feeling something big is about to happen in Iran very very soon! The exile Iranian socialist party has been gaining a LOT of monemtum in the last few months both outside and inside of Iran especially amongst the armed forces (which is seperate from the revolutionary gaurds).
Also almost the whole world is fed up with the Iranian government over the nuclear issue and the Iranian regime seems to be not giving in.
I think things are going to get real messy, real soon ! Every thing in my opinion is set for another revolution !
Its so frustrating because Iran is not like the Sunni Arab countries. The Sunni Arab populations don't seem to care about suicide bombing when its done to Jews or Shi'ites or Kurds... They are enemies, they oppose Sunni Arab leaders... and so, the logic goes, they deserve no decency and humanity.
Iran has never seemed to have that quasi-supremacist mindset.
The IRI has always had these views, it is only now coming to light because of the nuclear issue, which I would like to note was started by the moderate monkey-terrorist Khatami. Persians and Kurds who form the majority of the Iranian Population do not think the way the IRI do.Originally Posted by MGB8
Cyrus I agree with you. The Kurds in Iran have risen up already in an unarmed insurgency, and they have even killed a few of the regimes militia in clashes between unarmed protestors and the militia. Although militarily ineffective I think it has the potential to grow into a full scale national uprising.
What the IRI wants to do is turn the Iranians into Arab Fanatics, only Shiite instead of Sunni.
After seeing some 30 seconds of the piece, I thought the people concerned were only showing their liquor brands, but later it became obvious that it was a political film. Certainly not a good one. This is definitely not the right way to build up links with a foreign country.
Last edited by Justcurious; 11-28-2005 at 11:20 AM.
Well as a Pakistani and as a Muslim I find the clip no more controversial than rap music which also glorifys killing as does metal music.
This is a very emotional music video which Im sure extends into the hearts and minds of many of the palestinian people, It brings out into the open a subject that is very much taboo in the western world but is not so in the Islamic world,
People in the western world are fascinated about 'Jihad' or 'martyrdom' what you Israeli people dont understand is that these people are similar to the Jews that commited suicide at massada when the Roman army invaded.
Surely the Jews that killed Romans and even themselves at massada are not real Jews? If they are real Jews that means that Judaism is a religion that glorifys terrorists and murder/sucicde.
You people should stop with your hypocrisy, if you want to call the people fighting an occupying force (IDF) in west bank etc terrorists then you people also mention the terrorist Jews of Massada that killed the Romans and killed themselves, unless you are willing to call those "Jews" (Not real Jews surely) terrorists why should any muslim call palestinians terrorists?
Both the Jews of Massada and Palestinians are fighting occupiers, If you call one a terrorist call the other the same, you cant call one a hero and another a terrorist thats just hypocrisy.
If any Jew comes before me and declares the Jews of massada heretics or terrorists, I will call the Hamas, Islamic jihad heretics and terrorists! Fact here is not one of you will condemn the Jews of massada as terrorists, you call them heroes, So why should any muslim condemn those that carry out attacks against Israel? Why shouldnt we call them 'heroes'
Dont get me wrong im not supporting any violence against anyone but I need to stress the hypocrisy of your society, such double standards only bode ill for peace.
Typical behaviour demand everything, give nothing!
Um... the Jews in Massadah killed THEMSELVES, not women and Children, after fighting soldiers, so as to avoid going into slavery.
The Pal Arab terrorists target pizzerias, discos, buses, weddings, aniversaries.
There is not even close to an equation.
If they want to plant IEDs and attack soldiers at checkpoints - fine, hey, that's war. If they want to assasinate military leaders - that's fine too. Israel will also attack the combatant and combatant leaders on the other side, and the Arabs should stop being so hypocritical and crying when Israel returns acts of war.
But Israel is acting within the bounds of regular warfare, targetting combatants. The pal Arab terrorists, like Al-queda, hide behind the skirts of their women and swaddling of their children and then aim at the women and children of the other side. That's why those terrorists are scum, beneath contempt.
Is it true or is it not true that the Jews of Massada resisted the Roman invasion and by your definition would be regarded as terrorists? Surely they cant heroes can they?
If someone is fighting to repell an invading army does that make him a terrorist or a freedom fighter? How true is the saying one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
Also note the Romans only sent thier army into Massada they didnt bring all the Jews of warsaw ghetto with them, This is what the Israeli state has done.
Im sure the Jews at that time also killed Roman non-combatants! Thats war! Like you said, innocent people always die in war thats a fact, you show me one war in which innocent people didnt die and I will show you a horse that flies!
Also the palestinians have no military capability whatsoever and thus must apply pressure in weaker points, im not saying I support this, but every insurgency has always killed more non-combatants than combatants, Thats just the way gureillia war is faught.
One another note Ive noticed that Israelis and Jews in particular find it convenient to for get the fact that terrorism was first introduced by Jews not Muslims in the region, Remember the King David hotel bombing? The King David Hotel bombing killed innocent people aswell!
The bombing of the King david hotel was a terrorist attack and you must condemn it as such aswell as those people (IRGUN) that carried out the attack. Failure to do so will only once again only highlight your hypocrisy.
For every one finger you point there are 3 pointing backwards
You really have no idea as to facts and logic, do you?
First, terrorism is defined as "the targetting of non-combatants for lethal violence in order to forward a political aim."
An aside: Hostage taking is also terrorism, because, if the other side doesn't give in, the non-combatants aren't killed - the hostages aren't simply going to be detained to make the point, and released no matter what the other side does - they will be killed.
Thus, the people of Massadah were IN NO WAYS terrorists. Mind you, attacking soldiers and military instalations IS NOT TERRORISM, either.
Which gets us to point B, the King David Hotel. This was being used as a British Military Headquarters. That, in of itself, makes the attack on it not terrorism. But then there is also the fact that the attackers called ahead and gave a warning - which was disbelieved, nevertheless it was made. So, on two fronts, there is no equation.
But, the fact that you are trying to justify terrorism - well, may your family be blown to bits by some group in your country that wants to make a point. Don't cry about it like the hypocritical Arabs do - you support other terrorists, be prepared to support it when it happens to you.
Ps... if you suggest that no differentiation should be made between combatant and non-combatant, then I propose that Israel carpet bombs every Pal Arab town until they surrender. Then 4,000 casualties over 5 years will be nothing, we will play like Jordan played in the 70's and Syria in the 80's .... 4,000 in 5 HOURS.
If that's the way you suggest playing... that's fine. Game on.
(ps. even when outgunned, you can still attack the military units of the other side - the Jews did it in revolting against the Nazis... terrorists are just to COWARDLY to do that... they don't want to face anyone who can fight back. But the Arab world proves its cowardice again and again - you do remember the Yom Kippur War.)
To the extent that you made other allegations - they are both unsupported and fraudulent. You want to say that the Jews in revolting against Rome went on murder sprees against Roman civilians... fine. you can say it. You are LYING.
First of all can you please confirm that NO INNOCENTS (NON-COMBATANTS) WERE KILLED IN THE KING DAVID HOTEL BOMBING?
Unless you are able to prove to me through a fair source that no NON-COMBATANTS were killed I have every reason to reject your false notion that NO NON-COMBATANTS were killed, The fact is that innocent people where killed by Irgun and other terrorist murdering Jews and I want you to acknowledge this.
Why was the bombing of the King David hotel that killed innocents aswell be justified anymore than a terrorist attack carried out by a desperate Palestinian?
Lastly please dont involve my family in this argument, lets leave our mothers and sisters out of this, I would love to have a debate with you and dismiss your arguments one after the other.
Now please prove to me that there were no innocents killed in the King David Hotel, If you cant I can prove that there were innocents killed
Lasltly I want you to acknowledge the bombers of King David hotel and the Jews of Massada as terrorists, then I will be happy to call any Arab freedom fighter a "terrorist".
Also I want you to acknowledge that IT WAS NOT MUSLIMS/PALS THAT INTRODUCED TERRORISM AS A MEANS OF POLICY, THIS WAS CLEARLY INTRODUCED BY ANGRY AUSTWITZ SURVIVING JEWS AND BROUGHT WITH THEM FROM EUROPE.
You still don't get the idea of TARGETTING, do you?
That is why the point about your mother and sister is 100% important.
If your mother and sister died because they were standing near a military convoy and the convoy was bombed, that would be tragic and terrible, but it would be a consequence of an ACT OF WAR.
If your mother and sister died because they were shopping in a mall and someone decided to blow up shoppers, it would be tragic, and terrible, and TERRORISM.
THAT is the key distinction. Its one which you are either too stupid or too stubborn to grasp.
But, that distiniciton has real consequences. Because if there is no distinciton, then Israel is free to just bomb Arab towns whereever they feel like it... so, if you are saying that there is no distinction, then what you are saying is that you support Israel's right to carpet bomb Arab towns, cities, and villages, without regard to targetting combatants.
Next time there is a suicide bombing, Israel should drop a 500 TON BOMB ON RAMALLAH. Its all the same, right?
Here, Negotiator, if YOU say that you support Israel's right to drop that 500 TON bomb, then I will admit that under your f-ed up definitions, there is no difference between the Jews of Massadah, the attack on Camp David, and the Pal Arab terrrorists.
I, on the other hand, don't believe Israel has the right to do this. There IS a distinction, regardless of whether you have the Courage and Honesty to admit it.
Clearly, you are an intellectual and moral coward, too.
Her point is to get you to admit that Jews are the source of terrorism. The facts, reality or anything else don't matter.
I would suggest and I think she knows this, that 'terrorism' is actually quite older than that. The Anarchists did it in 1914, 1881, 1848. The Ottomans did it in the 15th century as did the Crudsaders and the Muslims in the 12th century. So did the Mongols. And so on and so on.
Before you feel the urge to embarass yourself may I suggest you summon all your might and resist.
Here are a few gems of yours:
If your mother and sister died because they were standing near a military convoy and the convoy was bombed, that would be tragic and terrible, but it would be a consequence of an ACT OF WAR.
If your mother and sister died because they were shopping in a mall and someone decided to blow up shoppers, it would be tragic, and terrible, and TERRORISM.
If my mother or my sister were to tragically die I dont I would say "Oh wait its an act of war so its ok!" or say "its terrorism" Ive still lost my family members regardless if its an act of war or terrorism
Lastly I will give you one last chance to prove to me that no innocents were Killed during the king david hotel bombing if you dont I will provide sources proving THAT INNOCENTS WERE KILLED DURING THE KING DAVID BOMBING!
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