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    Muslim's and Arabs are not Anti American, Savvy,

    ARE ARABS ANTI-AMERICAN?

    By AMIR TAHERI

    http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/op...ists/53185.htm

    President Bush's "image queen," Karen Hughes, is on a tour of Arab countries, where conventional wisdom claims that anti-Americanism is second nature. Hughes, now in charge of public diplomacy at the State Department, plainly she shares that analysis — why else choose the Arab region for her maiden voyage?

    But how true is that claim? Are Arabs the most anti-American people on earth? READ MORE

    Start with the tangibles. America is by far the largest pole of attraction for Arab foreign investment at all levels, from public-sector funds to small private savings accounts. The most conservative estimates put the value of Arab assets in the United States at over $4.5 trillion, which puts the Arab countries just behind Britain, Japan and Holland as the biggest investors in the U.S. economy.

    The United States is also one of the top three trading partners of virtually all Arab states. In fact, many U.S.-made goods (cars, for example) that don't sell anywhere else still enjoy robust markets in Arab countries.

    Then, too, America has been the No. 1 foreign tourist destination for Arabs since the 1980s, and has remained so despite restrictions imposed on Arab visitors after 9/11. Arabs from all walks of life and of all political sensibilities also love to send their children to study in America. And when it comes to seeking medical treatment, no country competes with the United States in attracting well-heeled Arabs.

    If she takes time to stroll in Arab capitals, Hughes would be struck by the ubiquitous presence of things American. It is possible to spend a holiday in most Arab capitals without moving out of the orbit of American-franchised hotels, restaurants, tourist services and banks. A stroll in modern shopping malls would reveal a population wearing American-style clothing, including baseball caps, with Motorola mobile phones pressed to ears, as New Orleans jazz plays in the background. She could sip one of those coffees the choice of which requires a PhD at a Starbucks, or indulge herself in a Hagen-Dazs of her choice.

    More than 70 percent of what's broadcast on Arab TV stations (including those regarded as "obsessively anti-American") is U.S.-made; 80 percent of the films shown in Arab cinemas are made in Hollywood. There are more than two dozen English dailies, all using the American version of the language. Go through them, and you see that much of the content comes from U.S. agencies and syndication services.

    Even Arabic-language newspapers serve as outlets for American journalism. More than half of all major articles in the two main pan-Arab daily newspapers come from The New York Times, The Washington Post, USA Today, the Los Angeles Times, Newsweek and Time magazines and other U.S. publications. Some American columnists have become household names in most Arab countries.

    Hughes is also bound to be struck by the number of Arab decision-makers with American educational or business backgrounds and/or connections.

    Only God and the U.S. immigration service would know how many Arabs hold green cards or even dual Arab-U.S. citizenship. With the possible exception of Libya, which has a weird regime, and Syria, whose leaders fear they may be targeted for "regime change," almost all Arab regimes are well-disposed toward the United States. Sixteen of the 21 member states of the Arab League host some U.S. military presence. The FBI maintains offices in at least 12 Arab capitals.

    So, where did the impression that the Arabs are seething with anti-Americanism come from? Isn't it possible that the Arabs may be sharing the anti-American craze produced in the West, including the United States? Aren't the Arabs, as with so many other products, importing anti-Americanism?

    In Arab newspapers, the bulk of the material that could be classified as anti-Bush and/or anti-American is translated from U.S. sources. Stroll in the streets where books and video and audio tapes are on sale at the curbsides and you will see that 90 percent of the items vilifying America come from American, French and British authors.

    No Arab anti-American has produced anything like the conspiracy theories that American intellectuals such as Noam Chomsky, Michael Moore, Scott Ritter, Seymour Hersh and Edward Said, to name a few, have put on the markets everywhere, including the Arab world.

    At any given time, one can find a horde of American activists visiting the region to urge the natives to hate America:

    * Two years ago, a group of Americans appeared in Arab capitals to stop people in the bazaars to "apologize for the Crusades," although the United States didn't even exist when those wars were fought between Europe and the Middle East.

    * Before the liberation of Iraq, scores of Americans came to Baghdad to offer themselves as "human shields" for Saddam Hussein. No Arab was so foolish.

    * This month, a group of 30 American professors turned up in Tehran and Damascus to describe the United States as "a rogue state on the rampage".

    * Bianca Jagger, presented as ambassador for UNICEF and "a leading thinker," has been in the region telling astonished audiences that the United States is the source of all evil in the world. (By the way, isn't UNICEF supposed to be apolitical?)

    * One American professor recently published an op-ed in The New York Times relating his trip to Iran, where he was "disappointed" to see that students not only did not hate George W. Bush but, horror of horrors, also craved for an American-style democracy instead of an Islamist utopia.

    * The anti-Bush demonstrations that Arabs watch on TV take place in Washington, San Francisco and Seattle, not in any Arab city.

    * A friend, who happens to be a minister in an Arab state, was saddened this summer when, spending holidays with his family in the United States as he had always done since student days, he had to quarrel with an old American schoolmate. The point of the dispute was that the American insisted that the United States was an "evil empire," while the Arab believed that it could be a force for reform in the Middle East.

    * Last month, an Iraqi journalist gave up his American scholarship and returned home because faculty members in the U.S. university he attended made him feel "guilty for having been liberated from Saddam Hussein."

    * A Kuwaiti friend withdrew his son from an American university to "protect him from [being] brainwashed into hating the United States."

    Many polls have been conducted to show that the Arabs are anti-American. A more interesting poll would aim at finding out how many Americans are so afflicted by self-loathing as to devote their energies to a systematic vilification of their nation.

    The best that Karen Hughes could do is to help make available to the Arabs the other side of the American debate; to show that not all Americans share Chomsky's belief that the United States planned to kill 6 million Afghans solely to build a pipeline from Central Asia. Her aim should be to help Arabs understand America in all its contradictions, not necessarily to adore it.

    There are many issues on which the Arabs disagree with the United States. But most Arabs don't see that as a sign of anti-Arabism on the part of America. Hughes should not regard it as a sign of anti-Americanism on the part of Arabs.

    Iranian author Amir Taheri is a member of Benador Associates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima
    Oh Achihud,

    You clearly have no inkling of the Islamic investments, businesses etc etc. in Europe.......or of the Muslim contribution.......duhhhhhhh

    Big smile added here
    Oh Muslima,

    If your trust is put in those kind of things, investment, conversion, birth rates.......I can only wish you stay that way.......duhhhhhhh

    Even bigger smile added here

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    Muslima I must admit that Amir Taheris is a smart man, an intellectual (unlike the much more popular Tariq Ramadan, who has dedicated himself to helping spread Islamic Extremism), however many things he wrote has been essentially aimed at making people question their beliefs more then anything else.

    For example he wrote an article asking "is it also possible that the Israelis are hated because they are pro-American and pro-West?", which is kind of contradicted by this article.

    "* Bianca Jagger, presented as ambassador for UNICEF and "a leading thinker," has been in the region telling astonished audiences that the United States is the source of all evil in the world. (By the way, isn't UNICEF supposed to be apolitical?)"

    You must have missed the UN in UNICEF if you were suprised at all by that.

    Muslima you would concede that the major issue that Arabs disagree with the US on is Israel, and the jews being allowed to live right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cato

    Muslima you would concede that the major issue that Arabs disagree with the US on is Israel, and the jews being allowed to live right?
    Cato, don't underestimate Muslim influence over the USA

    You say "Arab's" but you seem to ignore, it's not just ARab's , we unite by faith.

    Muslim/Arab countries don't want to deny Jews the right to live. Choose your word's carefully Cato. Disagreeing with sovereignty right's doesn't mean denying the right to live.

    Oh, and don't forget, it isn't just Arab's who disagree with American policies, what about other Muslim countries? What about China, ?
    but anyway, i know that's not the point you raised, ....

    1. There is Arab/Muslim anger against US Mid East Policy in the Mid East. This does not mean, that Arab's hate American's.

    2. US support for Israel is not unconditional Cato, Arab's and Muslims know that.

    3. I'd say there is more anger at the way they perceive the USA propping up dictatorships, and hindering progress. For example, selling military hardware to a regime , then criticising it for not allowing democracy. This in turn breeds extremism and causes internal problems, which are then manifested to the outside world. Islam actually does not allow dictatorship. They see that as an oppression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima
    Cato, don't underestimate Muslim influence over the USA
    Haha! The only influence comes from politically correct scare tactics that have become a CAIR mainstay. People are catching on and won't be tolerating it anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima
    Muslim/Arab countries don't want to deny Jews the right to live.
    Right, they just don't want them to live.... as Jooos!

    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima
    1. There is Arab/Muslim anger against US Mid East Policy in the Mid East. This does not mean, that Arab's hate American's.
    Who cares what they think anyway. Their main contribution to civilization in today's age is "Boom!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima
    Islam actually does not allow dictatorship. They see that as an oppression.
    Muslim's don't know any better form of government. Nor do they deserve it in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima
    Cato, don't underestimate Muslim influence over the USA
    What with the Jews control America? you have Europe! leave america to us!...



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    minusthejihad
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    At this rate, The US and Israel will be the last bastions of freedom from Islamists.

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    LOL are you a fan of extreme anti-muslim literature? for sure you are!
    I have got this stuff from muslim literature, and what I have against the Caliph is the notion that all other religions must be abolished and non-muslims will be treated differently from Muslims. Islam divides ppl into two camps: Muslim and non-muslims, rather than human beings.
    your dajjal is the jewish messiah. Islam turns the good guys into bad guys and the bad guys into good guys, evil evil religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savvy
    I have got this stuff from muslim literature, and what I have against the Caliph is the notion that all other religions must be abolished and non-muslims will be treated differently from Muslims. Islam divides ppl into two camps: Muslim and non-muslims, rather than human beings.
    your dajjal is the jewish messiah. Islam turns the good guys into bad guys and the bad guys into good guys, evil evil religion.
    I don't for a minute believe that you get your stuff from "muslim literature".

    Tell me where.......oh wait i know you won't, for they will all be hate mongering sites.

    Islam turn's the good guys into the bad? Stop distorting!

    A prophecy is an event that will happen. Prophecies don't paint people good or bad, what the hell does that mean? We have many and they are all coming true one by one.

    If the anti-Christ can con people, why are you blaming Islam? what exactly is your point? This prophecy doesn't turn Jews into the "bad guys" that is your interpretation. The QUran was sent to warn and guide. Not to turn good guys into "bad guys"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygalg1
    What with the Jews control America? you have Europe! leave america to us!...


    Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?? you actually admit that Ygalg?

    H'mmmmmmmmm, now you're in serious trouble with your peers lol

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    If the anti-Christ can con people, why are you blaming Islam?
    Think very carefully about what u just said. Is it possible that ur being conned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by savvy
    Think very carefully about what u just said. Is it possible that ur being conned?
    Think very carefully about what you just said Savvy.

    Is it possible that you are being brainwashed?

    As i said the Quran was sent to save humanity. You included. That was it's purpose for those who believe in it. It wasn't sent to sent to label people the way you did. Just for the record, there are about 50 minor prophecies and 10 major ones before the end or so we believe. They're coming true one by one. But anyway, it rests on faith. If you don't believe in them, since you are not a Muslim , it shouldn't matter to you, so i'm surprised at your reaction.

    I think you need to learn what the word prophecy means and not just mouth off because you don't like what you hear.

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    When will you get it through your thick goddamn skull I don't want or need to be saved by you? What will it take? Murder? Suicide Bombings? Will it sink in then? Is that what you understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediocrates
    When will you get it through your thick goddamn skull I don't want or need to be saved by you? What will it take? Murder? Suicide Bombings? Will it sink in then? Is that what you understand?
    Med,

    I WASN'T TALKING TO YOU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muslima
    Think very carefully about what you just said Savvy.

    Is it possible that you are being brainwashed?

    As i said the Quran was sent to save humanity. You included. That was it's purpose for those who believe in it. It wasn't sent to sent to label people the way you did. Just for the record, there are about 50 minor prophecies and 10 major ones before the end or so we believe. They're coming true one by one. But anyway, it rests on faith. If you don't believe in them, since you are not a Muslim , it shouldn't matter to you, so i'm surprised at your reaction.

    I think you need to learn what the word prophecy means and not just mouth off because you don't like what you hear.
    On that topic, what is your interpretation of the following:

    "And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]

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