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How it will benefit Israel as state? What are the implications to have one?
Basic laws for instance can reshape to adjust to environment fit to curtain situation while Constitution unchangeable as the torah or maybe we should declare torah as our Constitution?
Britain also does not have a constitution but Common Law.
Mil - stands for the countless MILlions of reasons not to work.
We are perfectly fine without a Constitution, and the Torah is not compatible with Democracy.
Originally Posted by Mil
If Britain can live without it... so is we I... assume (hmm)
would you say that a state without constitution cannot define democratic?
is Greece democratic? there are laws of torah been instituted in israel like shabbat as national day off
Is it possible constitution might damage Israel instead of been advantageous? apropos of enemy states might use it against us? Or criminals misuse it?
What role do you think a Constitution is supposed to enshrine?
So when the Moschiach rules , (it will be Torah law) , does that mean that you think his rule will be inferior to a democracy?
Look forward to your comments......
Who knows? We will probably be too busy dancing around the maypole in our underware to give a rat's arse.
Well, then maybe Israel should be a Torah state?
Who says democracy is the end all form of government?
Last edited by mbczion; 11-30-2005 at 12:41 PM.
Ha! That would be the day. You religious people are so gullible! Enjoy the wait. Of course I've heard around the net that the new prez of Iran thinks he is the next Messiah!
On what basis do you make such a claim?
"is Greece democratic?"
The answer to your question is yes, and I am only in Greece for this school year, it is part of a program to build understanding, there are a bunch of Israelis in Europe building up understanding, it makes me a better Israeli citizen.
"there are laws of torah been instituted in israel like shabbat as national day off"
Those laws are compatible with democracy. Making a womans testimony virtually wothless, stonning for adultery, and countless other evils within the Torah however not even the most ultra-religious nut will consider compatible with a democratic society like Israel. The Torah/Bible makes women little more then slaves of their husbands or fathers, which can not be less democratic because women are at least half of any population a majority in Israel. Not to mention the tough treatment of gays and lesbians by the Torah. The Torah, like the Koran and Bible and most religious texts is anti-democratic in nature.
"Is it possible constitution might damage Israel instead of been advantageous? apropos of enemy states might use it against us? Or criminals misuse it?"
You know the answer is yes.
"So when the Moschiach rules , (it will be Torah law) , does that mean that you think his rule will be inferior to a democracy?"
Everyone has his or her own interpretation of that. My interpretation is it will be Gods Law, and that God's Law is democracy, which is why from Ancient Athens outperforming everyone else including even the Persian Empire, Rome defeating Carthage, to Israel defeating it's Arab Enemies Democracy has prevailed.
"Well, then maybe Israel should be a Torah state?
Who says democracy is the end all form of government?"
Who says Israel needs a population then, since half of Israel would be on death row for excercising what in democratic Israel is their human rights, since the Torah hands out the death penalty for almost anything.
"On what basis do you make such a claim?"
Israel is doing much better then most nations, and a text that makes women virtually slaves, or hands out the death penalty for homosexuality is incompatible with democracy, wether the text is the Koran, Torah, Shinto Principles, or the New Testament. What makes Jews and Israel great is that they have resisted the trend of Religious Fundamentalism.
The question is, is Israel REALLY a "democracy" or a superficial "democracy"?
Just because one paints the outside of a stone with gold paint does not make the stone pure gold, but fake gold....
Israel is as real a democracy as France, or the United States, or Greece.
Israel is not perfect, no democracy is, but it is a democracy.
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