Iran: Israel should be moved to Europe

[ygalg1]

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who recently called for Israel to be 'wiped off map,' expresses doubt that Holocaust occurs, says Europeans should give Zionists some of their provinces in Europe

Reuters


Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday expressed doubt that the Holocaust occurred and suggested Israel be moved to Europe.





His comments, reported by the official IRNA news agency from a news conference he gave in the Saudia Arabian city of Mecca, follow his call in October for Israel to be "wiped off the map," which sparked widespread international condemnation.



"Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces and they insist on it to the extent that if anyone proves something contrary to that they condemn that person and throw them in jail," IRNA quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.



"Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem?"



"If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe - like in Germany, Austria or other countries - to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe. You offer part of Europe and we will support it," he added.



'Jews have no roots in Palestine'



Close allies when Iran was ruled by the U.S.-backed Shah, Iran and Israel have become implacable foes since Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution.



Israel accuses Iran of giving arms and funding to militant Palestinian groups such as Islamic Jihad and of building nuclear weapons. Iran denies the charges.



Tehran calls Israel a "terrorist state" and has developed missiles which can reach the Jewish state. It says it would use them if Israel tried to bomb its nuclear facilities.



Earlier in his remarks, the Iranian president, a former Revolutionary Guardsman who won a surprise election victory in June, said "the question is where do those who rule in Palestine as occupiers come from? Where were they born? Where did their fathers live? They have no roots in Palestine but they have taken the fate of Palestine in their hands."



"Isn't the right to national self-determination one of the principles of the United Nations charter? Why do they deprive Palestinians of this right?" he said.

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[The Indian]

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is doing a lot of diplomatic damage to Iran and further isolating it. It makes very hard to hear the rational voice of Iranians who are far more capable in every aspect than the Sunni Arabs.

Ahmadinejad is bad for Iran and for the whole world.

[minusthejihad]

Pajamijihad or whatever his name is, should be moved 6 feet closer to the earth's core.

[The Indian]

Is there some sort of no-confidence or recall in Iran to get this guy out? Don't the Iranians realize that fewer people are going to establish trade relations with them because of his stupid outbursts? He is hurting Iran. Iran should accomodate Israel and in return I'm sure Israel would do the same.

Many years ago an Iranian diplomat in the UN apologized to me for the Persian and Islamic invaders destroying religous sites in India and hoped for a reconcilliation between India and Persia. He was not alone in this sentiment. The Iranians seem to be rational people and this whole episode with Ahmadinejad is sad.

[minusthejihad]

Is there some sort of no-confidence or recall in Iran to get this guy out? Don't the Iranians realize that fewer people are going to establish trade relations with them because of his stupid outbursts? He is hurting Iran. Iran should accomodate Israel and in return I'm sure Israel would do the same..

This is not how fundamentalist Islamists think. They're still thinking about Islam's Glory Days long before they were born. If they believe that Allah can stop bunker busters then let them. We won't be targetting civilians anyway, just the Mullahs.

[Mediocrates]

Is there some sort of no-confidence or recall in Iran to get this guy out? Don't the Iranians realize that fewer people are going to establish trade relations with them because of his stupid outbursts? He is hurting Iran. Iran should accomodate Israel and in return I'm sure Israel would do the same.

Why? There is zero political downside to this. He's not hurting Iran and he knows it. No one in the west is taking any sort of action against them and they know that too. For all intents and purposes, Iran ALREADY IS a nuclear state and this is the rhetoric that comes from a nuclear Iran. They might not in fact be capable yet but they will soon and you can expect more of the same from them. The west is nervous that their objections will be 'remembered' and as long as it's just Jews they're talking about killing, the west is fine with that.


He wasn't really elected by the way. He was injected into office by Rafsanjani the moderate who isn't moderate.

[AraV]

Is there some sort of no-confidence or recall in Iran to get this guy out? Don't the Iranians realize that fewer people are going to establish trade relations with them because of his stupid outbursts? He is hurting Iran. Iran should accomodate Israel and in return I'm sure Israel would do the same.

It doesn't matter. Elections in Iran are fakes. The Islamic regime appoints people. Ahmadinejad was voted in people that don't exist. The regime stuffed the ballot boxes.

The Iranians know what Ahmadinejad is, and they reject him, but their opinions are totally irrelevant because the Mullahs have all the power. Even the President is powerless before the Mullahs who have total controll over all politics.

Many years ago an Iranian diplomat in the UN apologized to me for the Persian and Islamic invaders destroying religous sites in India and hoped for a reconcilliation between India and Persia. He was not alone in this sentiment. The Iranians seem to be rational people and this whole episode with Ahmadinejad is sad.

I have no doubt. Did it happen before the fall of the Shah of Iran by any chance?

Even if it didn't Indian Soil is off limits for the Mullahs, so I am sure he could have been speaking his mind because he was in a nation were he was free to do so at the time. If anyone publicly denounces the Islamic Invasion of India in Iran they get dragged into prison.

[Mediocrates]

I sometimes wonder who he thinks his audience is though. It's not like anyone in his immediate audience will disagree with anything he has to say nor that anyone else will pay much attention to it.


In fact if you decode it you find that here's a whole collection of senior Islamic regional leaders who have nothing better to do than scream irrelevant aphorisms about Israel. Doesn't that seem a little bit odd? I could understand raving about Iraq since it's right next door - but maybe they don't want to anger the US. In either case I found it odd that there was nothing positive in this at all. They got together to scream and complain. To me this is telling. Of all the problems in Iran and Saudi Arabia - such as a bad economy or creating jobs or trade with the west or Asia or questions about Pakistan or even relations with the Sunni state he was standing in when he made these comments.
They demonstrate over and over what fools and failures they are. They are fundamentally incapable of succeeding were it not for pumping liquid money out of the ground.

[Semsem]

Iran has oil.

Russia who would sell their mothers will supply them with nuclear know how and missiles.

Europe will keep quiet.

The USA is too busy in Iraq to do anything.

[The Negotiator]

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is doing a lot of diplomatic damage to Iran and further isolating it. It makes very hard to hear the rational voice of Iranians who are far more capable in every aspect than the Sunni Arabs.

Ahmadinejad is bad for Iran and for the whole world.

India has strategic relations with Iran and contributes much to Irans economy by purchasing Iranian oil, Needless to say im sure Israel is worried about the growing relations between Iran and India, It will be interesting to see how India plays Iran and Israel together, If India does it well I would congratulate India for some Realpolitik.

Needless to say Iran is more important to India than is Isreal, Israel can only offer India military technology but India has several options open in that regard, Russia and even the US are willing to sell to India, Iran on the otherhand can help India with its energy and has a large market for India goods.

[Arjun]

India has strategic relations with Iran and contributes much to Irans economy by purchasing Iranian oil, Needless to say im sure Israel is worried about the growing relations between Iran and India, It will be interesting to see how India plays Iran and Israel together, If India does it well I would congratulate India for some Realpolitik.

Needless to say Iran is more important to India than is Isreal, Israel can only offer India military technology but India has several options open in that regard, Russia and even the US are willing to sell to India, Iran on the otherhand can help India with its energy and has a large market for India goods.

Nice try . What a naive and insinuating post!

All the governments go by their commercial interests. Governments are rarely very close friends.

Friendship is always between people. And Indians and Israelis are among the best of friends which unfortunately Pakis can never be. Keep trying

With love from Pakis:
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[tandem]

ahmedinejad is fcuked up in the head. every time he says something like that he knows exactly what world leaders will say. and you can bet he's having a laugh at the outcry. did you see how this guy looks? typical parsi too cheap to even invest in a tie.

[The Indian]

The Iranian diplomat I spoke to about the Islamic invasion of India was in Germany in the early 1990s. He opened the topic first. I was only engaged in pleasentries to start with. He said he was a devout Muslim.

So the opinion I gather on this forum is that no one in the west really cares too much about the Iranian president stating all sorts of garbage, so long as it only targets Israel. It would be interesting to see what his comments are translated from Persian. I'll bet its probably is quite vile.

It all seems reminiscent of Arafat and Musharaf. They say all sorts of nice things to the west, but spew venom when they speak about Israel or India. The west doesn't care as long as they aren't targetted. So the lesson is - my terrorist bad, your terrorist good.

[ahavat]

Instead of moving Israel, they should just enlarge it by starting to "clear" the West Bank and Gaza of the trash there and then think about using Iran for extra parking.
This guy needs a serious ventilating of the cranium.
How can you take a country serious when their name is " I Ran"?
(which should be the new name for France)

[Womble]

Needless to say Iran is more important to India than is Isreal, Israel can only offer India military technology but India has several options open in that regard, Russia and even the US are willing to sell to India, Iran on the otherhand can help India with its energy and has a large market for India goods.

Well, so far Israel is India's largest single arms supplier, and they are our largest single defense products buyer. Sure looks like a solid relationship to me. And it's a big question which market is preferable for Indian goods- Israel may have less people, but with a great deal more purchasing capability. And all things Indian are considered quite trendy here. At the moment the two-way trade between India and Israel is about equal in size.

India buying oil from Iran isn't in and of itself an expression of hostility to Israel, especially seeing how enormous the Indian energy needs are. As long as it does not translate into defense ties, I have no problem with Indian-Iranian trade. I would hate it, however, if Israeli technologies sold to India were leaked to Iran...