The Arab "honor" murders continue

[Toga]

Dec. 28, 2005 18:41 | Updated Dec. 28, 2005 18:43
Ramle woman murdered; Police suspect honor killing
By JPOST.COM STAFF

A 22-year-old woman from Ramle was stabbed to death in her sleep, police reported on Wednesday.

One of the woman's brothers alerted police to the murder after he found her body in her bed.

Initial investigations concluded that the murder was an "honor killing" committed by members of her family because the young woman was divorced.

Police detained her older brothers, Army Radio reported

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

[Annaliese]

http://www.sullivan-county.com/x/honor_killings.htm

[KettleWhistle]

And why should anyone here care?

[Truthful Mind]

And why should anyone here care?

Two Resons...

1. It goes to show how backward and barbaric the muslim/arab culture is.

2. One should always feel horrified at the murder of a woman, irregardless of her race or religion.

[Cato]

Two Resons...

1. It goes to show how backward and barbaric the muslim/arab culture is.

2. One should always feel horrified at the murder of a woman, irregardless of her race or religion.

Unless of course the women in question are perfectly all right with honor killings.

[varian]

Dec. 28, 2005 18:41 | Updated Dec. 28, 2005 18:43
Ramle woman murdered; Police suspect honor killing
By JPOST.COM STAFF
A 22-year-old woman from Ramle was stabbed to death in her sleep,
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

The legacy of a pig warrior. If she had been awake, she probably would have kicked the mudering pig's arse. He wouldn't have had to save face, because then his arse and face would have matched.

[Annaliese]

Unless of course the women in question are perfectly all right with honor killings.

How could they be without being completely brainwashed? Do you mean they are like the ones who strap bombs on themselves ... at least they've been told they go to paradise and a few arab governments give money to their families ...................................

[KettleWhistle]

Two Resons...

1. It goes to show how backward and barbaric the muslim/arab culture is.

And why should we care about any of that?

2. One should always feel horrified at the murder of a woman, irregardless of her race or religion.

No, not really. Those are not my people, and not my problem. And nobody should be enforcing their societal standards on others anyway. In other words, let them rot.

[Truthful Mind]

1. It goes to show how backward and barbaric the muslim/arab culture is.

And why should we care about any of that?

The reason you should care about it is their barbaric culture effects everyone around it. The reason Israel is having to constantly deal with terrorist and suicide bombers and people who want Israel's destruction is because of the barbarism that permeates their culture.

2. One should always feel horrified at the murder of a woman, irregardless of her race or religion.

No, not really.
Those are not my people, and not my problem.

This proves that you are just as barbaric as they are.

It is exactly that mindset that I'm referring to.

To you it doesn't matter that someone innocent was maimed or killed or destroyed. As far as you are concerned, as long as it's not one of your people it's ok.

You sound exactly like them.

Disgusting.

I on the other hand believe that she is a creation of God, just as I am, and therefore since He bothered to create her, He also considers her life valuable.

And nobody should be enforcing their societal standards on others anyway. In other words, let them rot.

That's your own warped opinion. Who are you to decide who should enforce societal standards on others?

All societies are NOT equal. And before WWII had somebody enforced their societal standards on germany, instead of looking the other way, millions of Jews wouldn't have lost their lives in the holocaust.

[Cato]

"How could they be without being completely brainwashed? Do you mean they are like the ones who strap bombs on themselves ... at least they've been told they go to paradise and a few arab governments give money to their families ..................................."

That is my point, much of the time women are as brainwashed as the men are. I am horrified by all honor killings, and I do care about them, I care about issues like these, and I am among the few people who have been following along the Darfur Genocide, which is not easy.

However you should pick and chose your battles, and chose the ones that there is some possibility of making a difference in. Arab Muslim Honor Killings are not changeable, it is part of their primitive and barbaric culture.

Kettle the Terrorist

"And why should we care about any of that?"

Knowing your enemy? Sun Tzu's work The Art of War is as correct today as it ever was.

"No, not really. Those are not my people, and not my problem."

In a globalized world crimed against humanity are everyones business no matter who the victim is and who the victimizer is, and in an age when your sister/daughter/friend could be dating a muslim and get honor killed by his family for having sex with him/being a "currupting zionist whore" you should care.

"And nobody should be enforcing their societal standards on others anyway. In other words, let them rot."

Arab, and some Muslim societies says that everything that Islam has conquered is Dars Al Islam, or the House of Islam, and that it forever belongs to the followers of the prophet, and that Islamic Law shall be the only law known, and that anyone not one of the people of the book (I.E why do you think that the diverse religions of the Sassanid Empire are all but three dead today?) shall live there, and that Jews and Christians are to be treated as Dhimmis (A class roughly similar to Jim Crow Era African Americans, or Aparthied Era Africans in SA). Now since you do not want to be such an evil imperialist of the old style abide by their honorable and above all equal to yours culture and abandon your home to them and be a Dhimmi.

Yes there is evil, no cultural relitavism is not acceptable because everyone is entitled to liberty, justice, the right to think for themselves, and the right to make their own decisions, and yes honor killings are an undeniable evil that should be confronted. Let them rot? Well glad to know that Daladier or Chamberlin would have your vote, since that was their idea on how to contain Hitler, worked pretty well didn't it

Societies are not equal.

[KettleWhistle]

The reason you should care about it is their barbaric culture effects everyone around it. The reason Israel is having to constantly deal with terrorist and suicide bombers and people who want Israel's destruction is because of the barbarism that permeates their culture.

Israel has to constantly deal with terrorism because in 1967 the leftists failed to expell the foreigners (Arabs) to where they belong. Whining about how bad somebody is doesn't solve anything. Building a wall and keeping the Arabs behind it does. So, no I don't have to care about how they treat their women. I care for keeping them far and away, and out of my native land.

I on the other hand believe that she is a creation of God, just as I am, and therefore since He bothered to create her, He also considers her life valuable.

And what does the tooth fairy have to say on the subject?

All societies are NOT equal. And before WWII had somebody enforced their societal standards on germany, instead of looking the other way, millions of Jews wouldn't have lost their lives in the holocaust.

First of all, I take offense at your cheapening of the memory of the Holocaust. Yes, the societies are not equal. But it is not up to me to improve other people's societies. It is up to them. If their women don't like, it is up them to change it. For all I care, the Arabs can keep on killing each other. The more the better.

[KettleWhistle]

"And why should we care about any of that?"

Knowing your enemy? Sun Tzu's work The Art of War is as correct today as it ever was.

Cato, the terrorist supporter who cheers when Israelis die in terrorist attacks, how ignorant can you get?

Sun Tzu's work, properly called "Sun Tzu," same as the author, is merely a battlefield manual. He's talking about knowing the enemy's battlefield strategy, not its societal habits.

"No, not really. Those are not my people, and not my problem."

In a globalized world crimed against humanity are everyones business no matter who the victim is and who the victimizer is, and in an age when your sister/daughter/friend could be dating a muslim and get honor killed by his family for having sex with him/being a "currupting zionist whore" you should care.

LOL. My children and friends will certainly not be dating the enemy. They'll be in the IDF shooting the enemy and doing their job in driving the occupiers out of our native land, and behind the wall, where they belong. Much like these folks: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...194506,00.html

[Truthful Mind]

Israel has to constantly deal with terrorism because in 1967 the leftists failed to expell the foreigners (Arabs) to where they belong. Whining about how bad somebody is doesn't solve anything. Building a wall and keeping the Arabs behind it does. So, no I don't have to care about how they treat their women. I care for keeping them far and away, and out of my native land.

You need to review your history my friend. Even if all the arabs had been expelled as you suggest it wouldn't have changed anything. The barbarism in their culture would just caused them to come back with terrorist acts (as they have done).

The simple fact, that there IS a need for the separation wall, is proof of this. Simply expelling them would not be enough. You have to wall them out!

Here are the facts...

You expel civilized people, they go away.

You expel barbaric people, they want to come back and share their barbarism with you.

It is their barbarism that affects how they deal with people in countries around them, and it is their barbarism that makes the separation barrier necessary in the first place.

And what does the tooth fairy have to say on the subject?

I don't know,
I don't believe in the tooth fairy.

I believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

And I believe that HE is the creator and master of all. But I guess you missed that part in your studies,

or are you an atheist?

If you are an atheist, then simply say so. But don't insult the rest of us who believe that God is the creator and master of all.

First of all, I take offense at your cheapening of the memory of the Holocaust.

No. What you take offense at is the fact that I stung you with TRUTH.

Sorry. You'll just have to get over it. My point still stands....

Societies are NOT equal - (nice to see you agree with me)

and

And before WWII it was people attitudes like yours were responsible for what happened to the Jews during the holocaust.

I'll say it again.

Had somebody enforced their societal standards on germany, instead of looking the other way
with the attitude that "we don't care what atrocities are going on in a country long as it doesn't effect us",
millions of Jews wouldn't have lost their lives in the holocaust. Period.

[SteveMetch]

And why should we care about any of that?
No, not really. Those are not my people, and not my problem. And nobody should be enforcing their societal standards on others anyway. In other words, let them rot.

I seem to remember the same argument while Hitler was murdering Jews. All freemen have an obligation to free other men. Most victims of Islam are Muslims.

[Cato]

"Israel has to constantly deal with terrorism because in 1967 the leftists failed to expell the foreigners (Arabs) to where they belong. Whining about how bad somebody is doesn't solve anything. Building a wall and keeping the Arabs behind it does. So, no I don't have to care about how they treat their women. I care for keeping them far and away, and out of my native land."

Because there was no terrorism before 1967? That argument can be dispelled by talking to older Israelis who faced the same terrorism in their pre 1967 youth. Something Kettle the Terrorist has no interest in. Kettle the terrorist has no interest in history, and history will have no interest in being kind to him.

"First of all, I take offense at your cheapening of the memory of the Holocaust. Yes, the societies are not equal. But it is not up to me to improve other people's societies. It is up to them. If their women don't like, it is up them to change it. For all I care, the Arabs can keep on killing each other. The more the better."

What you take offense at is that he is correct and you have no effective counter because you no he is. You know that anti-semitism was part of Nazi German Culture, and because of the arguments of cultural relativism (Around then helping the scoundrel of the world to) everyone looked the other way. As I said it is nice to see disciples of Daladier, unfortunately for you Israelis prefer the Winstin Churchill approach to the Neville Chamberlin one.

"Cato, the terrorist supporter who cheers when Israelis die in terrorist attacks, how ignorant can you get?

Sun Tzu's work, properly called "Sun Tzu," same as the author, is merely a battlefield manual. He's talking about knowing the enemy's battlefield strategy, not its societal habits."

How stupid can Kettle the Terrorist who aides terror organizations dedicated to the destruction of Israel, and supports assassination of our Prime Ministers by terrorists get. The enemy's society and societal habits deeply effects the way their army will operate in the field, and what they will do and think. Sun Tzu was right, know your enemy, and he didn't mean just know your enemy's field manual.

" LOL. My children and friends will certainly not be dating the enemy. They'll be in the IDF shooting the enemy and doing their job in driving the occupiers out of our native land, and behind the wall, where they belong. Much like these folks:"

Sounds like the words of a true bigot. Not the link, I meant you of coarse. The IDF does not shoot indiscriminately at people, you know that, oh yes thats right you don't since your a draft dodger who will never spend a day in uniform. Dating the enemy? What enemy? Not all muslims are the enemy, and one of the muslims who are not the enemy might turn out to be a cute young man, who dates a young female you care deeply for, and as a result she may get honor killed for it by his intolerant family. It seems though that you do not want to stop honor killings, and so you support young females close to you getting the axe.