Chavez of Venezuela makes Antisemitic Speech

**Mediocrates** · 01-11-2006, 09:49 AM

In the past two years there have been anti Chavez riots put down with violence, with bloodshed. There have been calls for electoral recounts that put Chavez back in office that were met with Chavez firing the Supreme Court of Venezuela and a mysterious fire that held that votes on the referendum on whether to hold a recount election or not. There have been repeated human rights abuses and increasingly firey anti western rhetoric flaming from Chavez as well as implied threats to cut off Venezuelan oil from the US. He openly embraces antiwestern movements in Latin America.

Please stop me if you've heard this before. I'll be here all week, try the lobster.

**Mil** · 01-11-2006, 10:11 AM

Posted by Takeo:

Oil is a blessing for the Venezuelan economy,

it was a blessing to Venezuelan economy till about 1979 - following the collapse of the oil prices. After that it was all down-hill for Venezuela.

as it is a blessing for Russia,

Luckily for Russia, compared to Venezuela, it has other things besides oil it can sell. Like it's professional human capital in the field of sciences.

without it it would be as poor as Guatemala or Bolivia.

Venezuela is a pretty poor country.

Liberal and pro-American leaders have ruled the country for decades, liberated the entire economy and gave the entire economy except oil into foreign hands, even the oil was processed and shipped by American companies.

??? Venezuela sells oil at OPEC prices. The problem with Venezuela, as with other OPEC countries, is that they are not the main market for their own oil. This implies that Venezuela depends on the outside world for its well-being where any changes in the world markets would spell doom to Venezuela. This happened back in the 80s. Plus oil makes over about 40 billion a year for Venezuela and for a 25 mil country that's pennies especially with current unbelievably high costs of living. Have you gone grocery shopping lately? Every week I leave over $70 at the local grocery store and the barrel today is - $62. What will happen to Venezuela if demand for oil will decrease again or if a substitute will be found or if the oil suddenly runs out? Hugo will be pissing his pants hence his country produces nothing else but may be bananas.

by the way, Venezuela, was the one country which was solely responsible for the creation of OPEC and was the first one to nationalize all of its all industry - taking in all the profits per/barrel.

They kept the country in poverty, at least for the majority of Venezuelans.

I guess your knowledge of Venezuelan history is no better then your knowledge of communism, of which you are so fond of. Before 1979, or before the collapse of the oil markets, Venezuelans enjoyed one of the highest standards of living in the world with over 75% living above the poverty line - at the time it was even higher then in the US!!!!

The real trouble came with the collapse of the oil markets in the 80s - it went downhill from there. Suddenly over 75% of Venezuela found itself below the poverty line staying as such there after.

According to statistics of the UNDP poverty has been seriously reduced during the last years, and the non-oil-related economy is being activated by the government, internal consumption is growing as the poor become less poor.

What is non-oil-related economy of Venezuela? Bananas? Hugo, is a loud-peaced moron but he certainly is no panacea of third-world ills. What the third world needs is a shock-therapy by the likes of Peru, Argentina and Chile.

takeo · 01-11-2006, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Mediocrates

In the past two years there have been anti Chavez riots put down with violence, with bloodshed. There have been calls for electoral recounts that put Chavez back in office that were met with Chavez firing the Supreme Court of Venezuela and a mysterious fire that held that votes on the referendum on whether to hold a recount election or not. There have been repeated human rights abuses and increasingly firey anti western rhetoric flaming from Chavez as well as implied threats to cut off Venezuelan oil from the US. He openly embraces antiwestern movements in Latin America.

Please stop me if you've heard this before. I'll be here all week, try the lobster.

Not a word about the military coup of course...
There has been a referendum called for by the opposition, Chavez accepted, and he won the referndum as all opinion polls indicated. According to international observers the referendum was free and fair and the results match the result registered by them. Which human rights abuses? The only human rights abuses happened when the military coup leaders tried to put all Chavez supporters behind bars... this coup received recognition from Washington but no other nation recognised it.
Yes he openly embraces antiwestern movements and he helps Cuba with oil-deliveries...
Yes, I told you already, democracy sucks, I can see you have a lot of trouble accepting the wish of the Venezuelan people, your hands are itching to do something about it. But it will be difficult maintaining you are the champions of democracy in the world. Democracy yes, but only if they vote for people WE like... bunch of hypocrites. You tried everything, but it failed. Now you will have to expose yourself as the arrogant undemocratic imperialists you really are.

takeo · 01-11-2006, 10:23 AM

mil, have to go now, don't have time to answer your post, just this:
Venezuela's economy went downhill in the '70's indeed, but the reducing oil-prices weren't the only reason. the dependancy on oil was one of the reasons, but other reasons were related to the suffocation of the local industry since everything was imported from the US. There are other reasons as well, I'll explain later.
Argentina an example? the neo-liberal concepts of the 80's and 90's have made this economy, the wealthiest of latin America, to collapse completely.

minusthejihad · 01-11-2006, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by takeo

There has been a referendum called for by the opposition, Chavez accepted, and he won the referndum as all opinion polls indicated.

So he didn't legally win the referndum, did he? Thanks. Opinions are like Aholes, everyone, including you, I hope, has them.

Originally Posted by takeo

According to international observers the referendum was free and fair and the results match the result registered by them.

Yeah, like whom, Sean Penn and Danny Glover? LOL!

Originally Posted by takeo

Which human rights abuses?

Fine, so you are not only ignorant but also incapable of research nor accepting obvious facts unless they hold your own view. Got it. Anything else?

Originally Posted by takeo

bunch of hypocrites. You tried everything, but it failed. Now you will have to expose yourself as the arrogant undemocratic imperialists you really are.

Haha!!! Yes, and your precious Communism is picking up so much steam around the world! Wow. I can see the lines of people applying for entry visas into Cuba. Is there even any other country Tako? What's the poverty rate over there anyway?

Oh, and don't let me forget to thank you for the compliment!

**Mil** · 01-11-2006, 10:36 AM

Takeo would be suprised but the father's of the American neo-con movement in most part are all former Troskites. Guess something changed their mind

genghis_tom · 01-11-2006, 10:47 AM

Takeo would be surprised at a lot of things, I think. The day will come, according to him, and his "democracy sucks" will be sensored by the government, along with any opinions he currently enjoys while in a democracy.

minusthejihad · 01-11-2006, 10:48 AM

Tako loves communism and Lenin so much he has volunteered from the beginning to be one its "useful idiots" and he has done a most excellent job, I must say.

genghis_tom · 01-11-2006, 10:49 AM

Perhaps his superiors will actually reward him with a marked grave...

minusthejihad · 01-11-2006, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by genghis_tom

Perhaps his superiors will actually reward him with a marked grave...

Nah, they'll probably just photoshop him out of history. That's what they usually do with them useful idiots. There are no rewards for followers in that dogma.

takeo · 01-11-2006, 03:37 PM

minusthejihad]

So he didn't legally win the referndum, did he? Thanks. Opinions are like Aholes, everyone, including you, I hope, has them.

Yes he did legally win the referendum, as was indicated by all opinion polls including gallup the week before the referendum. The international observers, including Jimmy Carter, agreed that the referendum was correct, free and fair, as well as the vote counting. Actually the elections in Venezuela are a lot more democratic than in the US, in the US all media belong to capitalists, in Venezuela they had the choice between anti-Chavez channels owned by the opposition and one pro-chavez channel owned by his supporters.

Fine, so you are not only ignorant but also incapable of research nor accepting obvious facts unless they hold your own view. Got it. Anything else?

Which human rights abuses? I can only see that the Venezuela report of Amnesty international is a lot shorter than the report about the US or any neighbouring country... you search better if you want to find something to damage Chavez. It wasn't chavez who organised a military coup but the US and the opposition. I'm not surprised that all of you keep silent about this fact, after all deep in your hearts you love Pinochet and every rightwing bastard.

Haha!!! Yes, and your precious Communism is picking up so much steam around the world! Wow.

Well, China is becoming more powerfull every minut.

I can see the lines of people applying for entry visas into Cuba. Is there even any other country Tako? What's the poverty rate over there anyway?

I've been there several times, I don't think you have. It's poor of course compared to the US, but not compared to other Latin countries. Salaries are very low but everyone has acces to education, food, electricity, water, hospitals, etc. not so in other central american countries. And Cuba would be a lot better if you would abolish this outdated and illegal embargo. But don't worry, last years China especially is helping Cuba, and they get cheap oil from Venezuela, the economy is picking up steam after years of recession when the Soviets withdrew.

takeo · 01-11-2006, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mil

Takeo would be suprised but the father's of the American neo-con movement in most part are all former Troskites. Guess something changed their mind

not at all, here's the same. I never was a trotskist however.

takeo · 01-11-2006, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by minusthejihad

Nah, they'll probably just photoshop him out of history. That's what they usually do with them useful idiots. There are no rewards for followers in that dogma.

I just defend my ideas, I have no master. What will be your reward for supporting Bush, did your children had to serve in Iraq yet?

KSO · 01-12-2006, 01:46 AM

Well the positive developments in south america are another reason why George Bush is the greatest american president ever, for now i completely support him being president untill 2889

minusthejihad · 01-12-2006, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by KSO

Well the positive developments in south america are another reason why George Bush is the greatest american president ever, for now i completely support him being president untill 2889

Positive? Your parents fled the FSU so that you could call the spread of the world's worst idea, Socialism, in South America a "positive development"?

Even my Armenian uncle knows when to shut the hell up at dinner. Of course, he is "the drunk uncle" if you know what I mean.