A future with Hamas

[user954651]

Well that was a typo,the land of Palistine-I was refering to a rock where Moses stood-see Bible-said some stuff-and moved on-there was a village there-since the time of Moses-now its Israel....Land of Palistine-should be a reality-

Actually that was not called "Palestine" at the time and the "Palestinian" Arabs are not those ancient people... they are Arabs - from Arabia.

The name Palestine was first used by the British when they broke up the Ottamon empire (Turkey) into mandates. The Brits drew lines in the sand and called Israel (With disputed land's) + TransJordan the "Palestine" mandate after the Roman name "Syria Palaestina" named after the aincient greek "Philistines" who were bitter enemies of aincient Israel. The Romans changed the name to try and disassociate the land (named Judea) from the Jewish people while they carried out numerous genocides against us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palesti...29#Roman_times

Roman genocide - why it happened:
http://hirhome.com/israel/cruxcontents.htm

They also changed the name of Jerusalem - but that didn't stick as well as this "Palestine" has:
http://www.bible-light.com/JPM/1999-09.htm

I won't be able to do this for every single piece of propaganda that you have absorbed - you need to think critically. Learn the history.

[MGB8]

Pandora,

You are making a fool out of yourself. First, learn the history, then come back and talk.

First, When the turks ruled the land, there was no Palestine. When the British took over, they named one section of their mandates "Palestine". This INCLUDED CURRENT DAY JORDAN.

The term Palestinian at first was used to describe the Jews of Palestine, the Arabs were merely called Arabs. Subsequently things changed.

But there was no such thing as a "Palestinian" in the same way that there is today. There were local Arabs. There has never been a state of Palestine.. and the Arabs have several times rejected creating one.

Of course, this opens up many more issues, but since you have no clue as to the very basic history, you aren't really ready to discuss them.

[Pandora]

well what can I say-I'll substitute arab for Palistinian when speaking of the past-but this is about everyones future-and I see doom if this current arc continues- belive me,lots o bad bombs went missing after the cold war- Isreal-love her or hate her the clock is ticking faster-I can feel it. till nxt time Pandora signing off....

[user954651]

I'll substitute arab for Palistinian when speaking of the past.

Listen to what I am telling you. The land has never once been an independant Arab nation.

You are repeating propaganda - it is important that you see through what you have been taught so you can actually understand what is going on here. I have just prooven what you wrote was wrong, I have shown you evidence...

I have shown you the door, you have to walk through it.

This is about everyones future-and I see doom if this current arc continues.

If people keep believing propaganda then we will have a very dark future. Please do some research and learn the history to understand what is going on at the moment. If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a personal message.

[user954651]

"It's time we open our hearts and minds to Hamas," says the 71-year-old mayor.

Our desperation for peace makes us weak. Hamas are not a peace partner, they are an international terrorist organisation who's mission is to eradicate the state of Israel, many American organisations, and the Jewish people as a whole. That is the same as the PLO, however Abbas prefers a slower more subtle method of extermination. Both organisations must be rejected and eliminated for a future where Israels existance is not under attack. Both organisations must be rejected and eliminated before we can reach a true peace.

[Jorge]

From user54651's Post #350:

“Our desperation for peace makes us weak”

That is a bit of an overstatement, isn’t it? From where did you get the weird notion that Israel is desperate for peace? I'm asking because, the way I see it, Israel's positions are closer to your's:

“Both organizations (Hamas and PLO) must be rejected and eliminated for a future where Israels existance is not under attack. Both organisations must be rejected and eliminated before we can reach a true peace.”

In recent years Israel has been implementing policies designed to “reject and eliminate” both organizations. Some people may think that those policies are correct, even if they imply “rejection and elimination” of the two organizations that represent about 90% of the Palestinians. Within the context of those policies may be we should wait for the time when a future PZO (Palestinian Zionist Organization) emerges and wins the elections. Until then… we keep them under our boots.

How do those polices rhyme with “Our desperation for peace makes us weak.” ?

May be you should heed the advice you give to Pandora in your post #349, quote:

If people keep believing propaganda then we will have a very dark future. Please do some research and learn the history to understand what is going on at the moment.

[user954651]

From user54651's Post #350:

“Our desperation for peace makes us weak”

That is a bit of an overstatement, isn’t it? From where did you get the weird notion that Israel is desperate for peace? I'm asking because, the way I see it, Israel's positions are closer to your's:

“Both organizations (Hamas and PLO) must be rejected and eliminated for a future where Israels existance is not under attack. Both organisations must be rejected and eliminated before we can reach a true peace.”

In recent years Israel has been implementing policies designed to “reject and eliminate” both organizations. Some people may think that those policies are correct, even if they imply “rejection and elimination” of the two organizations that represent about 90% of the Palestinians. Within the context of those policies may be we should wait for the time when a future PZO (Palestinian Zionist Organization) emerges and wins the elections. Until then… we keep them under our boots.

How do those polices rhyme with “Our desperation for peace makes us weak.” ?

Quick reply:
Israel is devided. Half of us are fighting, and the other half have given up. I refer to the half that has given up - the people who are so fed up with fighting that they are leaving... some of my cousins fall into this category, and despite the fact they have decided to leave, they still voted in favour of evicting hundereds of people from Gaza with no hopes of peace in return. Israel has been withdrawing land to an orginisation built on Nazism, the PLO.

Some people think there may even be a civil war in Israel, however I hope it never comes to that.

I love the PZO joke! And you are right there, the PLO and Hamas are (obviously) Palestinians, which is a grave problem.

One thing I have done recently is seperate the PLO and Palestinians because seperating the two makes things simpler and makes peace so much closer. The PLO are a Nazi inspired terror organisation. The bleak truth though, is that most Palestinians are Nazi inspired - it's very disconcerting. Until the Palestinians are taught for peace we will not have peace.

Link

Most of my efforts go towards groups such as teachkidspeace.

I talk in facts most of the time and have been discussing (aka. gathering new information) this issue for many years with all sorts of people including many Palestinians - one of whom I shared a blog (and said they lived in the "occupied West Bank") with and another who I am going to Greece with on Tuesday. I am always open to new information. If you have any, post away! I like raw facts best, and context is important.

These last two posts are just my opinion, you can disagree if you like, but there really is not much to proove wrong. I do not think my statement "Our desperation for peace makes us weak." to be an overstatement.

RE: In recent years Israel has been implementing policies designed to “reject and eliminate” both organizations.

I presume this is just your opinion, or do you wish to categorically proove that statement?

[Reffo]

I was browsing through the threads and I came across a long argument that I had with a typical Palestinian Arab apologist (Sumud). This was his response about the rocket fire from Gaza following Israel's unilateral withdrawal ...

You know what Sumud? For the sake of argument (not reality) I will concede the point to you. Let's just say that there was no INCREASE of rocket attacks, even though as MGB concedes, there was originally after the withdrawal and Israel managed to stem the tide with counter measures. Let's just ignore that for the moment.

But that's hardly the point Sumud is it? The point that I originally made was that instead of gestures of good will after the Israelis withdrew from Gaza (in line with one of your suggested options for Israel's self defense), instead of that, the Palestinian attacks continued!!!!!! What have you to say in that regard?

Lets not.

It’s not that there was ‘no increase’, there was a decrease. Even MGB8 agrees!

But you keep your head in the sand.

How typical. He quibbles about the NUMBER of rockets being fired from Gaza when I was telling him that there should not have been ANY rocket fire from Gaza after Israel withdrew. We are now in 2011 and the rockets are STILL being fired from Gaza on Israeli civilians and their apologists are still quibbling about the number of rockets and attack Israel for it's "disproportional" response rather than attacking Hamas for allowing ANY rockets ...

How do you deal with such confused misguided souls? Or should I say malevolent souls?

Alas poor Sumud won't be able to respond RIP ...