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    Recipe for Peace: Transfer

    After examining the history of the Middle East and reviewing the different alternatives attempted without success over the past several decades, I now have come to believe that the key to saving innocent lives and reaching a final peace resolution is the separation between the Palestinian mass murderers and their Israeli victims.

    Surely a population transfer is anathema to the ideals of our Western society but, then again, so is the ongoing daily slaughter of Israelis at the hands of the Palestinian terrorists whose aim is to ethnically cleanse the Middle East of its Jewish population. And so, we have come to a point at which we must consider an more extreme solution -- not to mete out punishment, but rather to save lives.

    The following is a quote from Alan Dershowitz, a prominent U.S. constitutional rights attorney, civil rights activist, and Harvard Law School Professor speaking of Palestinian "refugees," which is pertinent to this discussion:

    "As a civil libertarian and human rights activist, I was never much moved by the claims of these refugees. Political solutions often require the movement of people, and such movement is not always voluntary. Making Arab families move - intact - from one Arab village or town to another may constitute a human rights violation. But in the whole spectrum of human rights issues - especially taking into account the events in Europe during the 1940's - it is a fifth-rate issue analogous in many respects to some massive urban renewal or other projects that require large-scale movement of people. For example, the building of the Aswan High Dam in Egypt necessitated the relocation of 100,000 Arabs and the destruction of numerous Arab villages. There were certainly numerous precedents following both world wars, as well as other dislocating events of history - including the establishment of new states. There were so many refugee groups throughout the postwar world, and in so much worse condition, that it is difficult to understand why this particular dislocation assumed such international proportions.

    "For example, following the end of World War II, approximately fifteen million ethnic Germans were forcibly expelled from their homes in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, and other Central and Eastern European areas where their families had lived for centuries. Two million died during this forced expulsion. Czechoslovakia alone expelled nearly three million Sudeten Germans, turning them into displaced persons. The United States, Britain, and the international community in general approved these expulsions, as necessary to secure a more lasting peace. [...] President Franklin Roosevelt's assistant Harry Hopkins memorialized his boss's view that although transfer of ethnic Germans "is a hard procedure, it is the only way to maintain peace." [...]

    [Dershowitz describes other population transfers in the Middle East, primarily hundreds of thousands of Sephardic Jews who left their ancient communities in Arab lands for Israel.]

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    What do you think? Has it come to this as a last resort solution to the Palestinian terrorism problem?

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    Re: Recipe for Peace: Transfer

    A simple practical question: where are the Palestinians to be transferred to?

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    Re: Re: Recipe for Peace: Transfer

    Originally posted by Vic
    A simple practical question: where are the Palestinians to be transferred to?
    Possibilities:

    1. A Palestinian "zone" carved out by Israel with defensible international borders, which would include something like "Gaza Plus" and would serve as the basis for a future Palestinian demilitartized state.

    2. Jordan.

    3. Any Arab state of the Palestinians' choosing that would grant them the freedom and independence they desire.

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    Re: Recipe for Peace: Transfer

    Any Arab country would have to agree, presumably, to take the Palestinians if option #3 was used.

    The second question I would have: how would this transfer be effected and who would do it?

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    An older thread http://www.israelforum.com/board/sho...beria#post6205 contains some useful ideas regarding all 3 options.

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    Re-reading this thread, and, pardon this immodesty, my own post http://www.israelforum.com/board/sho...=6136#post6136, - is an option #4 possible, with a viable, sovereign etc. Palestinian state on someone else's territory?

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    Do you think that other countries will solve yr problems
    Aren,t you know that all land including israel was palestinian land
    do y want to bring yr foriegners outres immigrants instead of the real owners of the land
    Is it not enough that they left their land to establish your country israel and over all they recognised you
    Do u think that u can desmith palestinians to establish big Israel on whole palestine land and on palestinian,s account
    If so u must be dreamer and imaginable and u will suffer all times
    Be fair to satisfy ur conscious and ur God and save life of ur people
    Last edited by fair; 06-29-2002 at 03:14 PM.

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    Thanks but no, let's give the Palistanians Picardy. Just a bunch of dumb Belgian pig farmers there anyway.

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    Most of Palestians (at least many) do have Jordan passport and theoretically they can live there, if they stop destributing violence there too - you know the Jordan kicked them out some years ago just because of this reason.

    In addition to this discussion, that has many similar threads in Israel forums, I can say that Israel is able (and willing if this help) to pay up to 40.000$ for each arab leaving the country provided firm guarantees he won't return.

    It's not a speculation, there are real numbers and people willing to invest (most of them are really not rich). Given with this money one can settle in arab countries and become "upper-class" man. Also governments of these countries would love the money coming to the country with them.

    However, the problem is not in economics. Well, instead of repetition I can say that I 100% agree with the 'letter to palestinians'. "The Peace will stand in the Middle East when arabs would love their children more then they hate jews", Golda Meir.

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    Originally posted by fair
    Do you think that other countries will solve yr problems
    Aren,t you know that all land including israel was palestinian land
    do y want to bring yr foriegners outres immigrants instead of the real owners of the land
    Is it not enough that they left their land to establish your country israel and over all they recognised you
    Do y think that y can desmith palestinians to establish big Israel on whole palestine land and on palestinian,s account
    If so y must be dreamer and imaginable and y will suffer all times
    Be fair to satisfy yr conscious and yr God and save life of yr people
    IT WASN'T PALESTINIAN LAND. Some was, but the great majority wasn't. Please go read several of the threads here and get a few history lessons as to the history of the mid-east. Please be informed before posting what you've hears as fact.

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    While I agree with Dershowitz, I don't believe that a unilaterally imposed transfer would be practical, considering the international fallout, and likely war.

    HOWEVER, I do believe that we should begin deporting all Palestinian criminals.

    If a Palestinian is caught attempting murder - deportation. Supplying weapons or anything else in a conspiracy to commit murder, deportation. Not Jails, that means we have to cloth and feed them. Just get out.

    For children throwing stones - give them maybe 3 strikes, after all it is felony assualt in the US, and Battery if the rock connects.

    Carrying un registered weapons should get a similar, maybe 2 strikes rule.

    I am not kidding, not at all. This would be very legitimate, and while there would still be international condemnation and fallout, it would be much more limited. While it doesn't protect Israel by having these men locked up, it does send a very powerful message to INDIVIDUAL Palestinian arabs.

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    Re: Re: Recipe for Peace: Transfer

    Originally posted by cerulean
    The second question I would have: how would this transfer be effected and who would do it?
    It is not very complicated really.

    Israeli tanks enter the Palestinian-occupied town and announce on loudspeakers that all residents have 24 hours to pack their stuff and leave town. They are made aware that they are on their way to reunite with their brothers in a Palestinian-ruled zone, where they will have all the freedom and independence to do as they please. They no longer will have to live among Israelis and will get to realize all their national aspirations. All their dreams can come true in their new Arab wonderland.

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    They forget so easily that the Turkish era of Geographical Palestine was also a home to Armenians, Circassians, Turks, Azerbijanis, Bedouins, Cypriots and other groups. 'Palestinian' is really only a generic name like going to the dealership and pointing at all the 'cars'. You have to know something about it to distinguish one from another. If you were to ask those people they would say they are Turk, Armenian and so on. But in the mythology of Palistan they've managed to aggregate all of those real groups together under one imaginary synthetic name and sell it to the world. As if you went on a boat blindfolded sailed to somewhere in the western hemisphere, jumped out of the boat and called everyone 'American'. It's gibberish. It's meaningless and only makes sense in a Disney cartoon world where all the people are young, handsome, under age 30 and speak English: White, red, brown, indian, european, animal, human, whatever, it makes no difference. That's the modern Palistinian.

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    Originally posted by MGB8
    While I agree with Dershowitz, I don't believe that a unilaterally imposed transfer would be practical, considering the international fallout, and likely war.

    HOWEVER, I do believe that we should begin deporting all Palestinian criminals.

    I am not kidding, not at all. This would be very legitimate, and while there would still be international condemnation and fallout, it would be much more limited. While it doesn't protect Israel by having these men locked up, it does send a very powerful message to INDIVIDUAL Palestinian arabs.

    I don't doubt you're serious. Problem is where, where their host nation won't send them on the next plane back. Holy Moly it took 3 weeks to negotiate the 'release' of convicted killers to 'exile'. First to a luxury hotel on Cypress then to the 4 corners of every bistro in Europe where they scatter like bugs and are probably either back in Bethlehem or banging some Eurochicks to get more recruits and money to the cause.

    Sure I'd like to deport them. My vote is some hellhole in the jungles outside Kinshasha or Borneo or maybe Vostok Antarctica.

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    Originally posted by fair
    Do you think that other countries will solve yr problems
    Aren,t you know that all land including israel was palestinian land
    do y want to bring yr foriegners outres immigrants instead of the real owners of the land
    Is it not enough that they left their land to establish your country israel and over all they recognised you
    Do y think that y can desmith palestinians to establish big Israel on whole palestine land and on palestinian,s account
    If so y must be dreamer and imaginable and y will suffer all times
    Be fair to satisfy yr conscious and yr God and save life of yr people
    Barking up the wrong tree, Fair.

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