Land for Peace has failed. Its time to give Peace or Land a try.

[SteveMetch]

Proposal

Step 1: Divide the West Bank and Gaza into approx. 1,000 logical land tracts.

Step 2: Announce to the world that every Israel citizen killed from this point forward will result in the annexation of 1 land tract in the order outlined by a published map.

Step 3: After a terrorist attack has killed X number of citizens the appropriate set of land tracts will be annexed and all Non-Israel citizens will be forcibly removed from the land tract.


Step 4: Any structures deemed unnecessary or that represent a security risk will be removed.


The logical order of land tracts:

Land tracts around the green line that improve security

Land tracts which help connect settlements to what is currently Israel

Land tracts that contain no Arab populations (settlements, open land etc)

Land tracts that contain shanty town Arab populations

Land tracts that do not include infrastructure (power plants etc)

Land tracts that does include infrastructure

Land tracts that contain more permanent Arab populations

All remaining land

Currently there is no established non-ambiguous price tag on violence; as such Israel lives have no value to the Arabs. Placing a definite value on each murder will bring some measure of meaning to the death of so many people as well as establish an ultimate end to the death toll.

Land for Peace has failed. Its time to give Peace or Land a try.

[Mediocrates]

Instead of "Plant a Tree in Israel" We could have "Sponsor a Tank in YESHA". I'm only halfway kidding - everybody gets a square on a map like an adopt a highway program.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by SteveMetch
Land for Peace has failed. Its time to give Peace or Land a try.

Well said.

The Palestinians need to either live as civilized neighbors, or leave and take their massacres and Jihad with them.

[hagg323]

I do believe that the solution and our messages must be balanced with full respect to these poor humans (hmm… it’s so hard, especially after tonight’s attack, damn it!) the same way that we demand respect to ourselves from them. A punishing system will not do it and will not deliver a long-lasting solution, which is what we should be looking for. Peace, Shpeace, a long-lasting solution should be our focus. Because we cannot afford looking at short-term solutions that only generate more frustrations even if not leading to more violence. This is what they think that they are doing: pushing us in the short-term to give up something, which we will never ever give up. They are wrong. Wrong in thinking, wrong in their tactics. Please let’s not follow this path too. We must look beyond the horizon of the present violence. The violence must be put off, forcefully and without any compromise, with a way more determinism than what our government has demonstrated up till now. There’s no other way. Terror has no logic to reason with and you cannot surrender to it. But they are people like you and me that you’re taking about, Stephen, and must be treated with the same ways that you want to be treated yourself, and your family, and your loved ones. We need to look at solutions that will lead to quiet (peace would be nice to have, not a must so soon) and economic prosperity to the region, one that will increase the standard of living and provide hope and unlimited opportunities to all newborns, Arabs and Jews alike. Suddenly, it seems like a long dream. It’s amazing how quickly the hope can return once the violence has ended. Talking about transfer from a standpoint of looking after everyone’s interests, is one thing, which I support because I simply cannot see any other logical solution and not because I choose it gladly. Talking about limiting other people and compressing them further inside this horrible pressure cooker simply won’t work. Not for the short term. Not for the long term. Not for me. Not for them. Not even for you.

[takeo]

massive etnic cleansing of the occupied territories will change sporadic terrorism into a full war against a large colaition and worldwide embargo, land for peace (or better said implementation of the un-resolutions for peace) is the only way to go, it has not failed yet, because it has not been implemented yet.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by hagg323
Talking about transfer from a standpoint of looking after everyone’s interests, is one thing, which I support because I simply cannot see any other logical solution and not because I choose it gladly.

Right, transfer of the Palestinians into an independent zone should absolutely not be seen as a punishment, but as a last-resort solution to save lives and allow the Palestinians to realize their national aspirations in a way in which they cannot carry on with their massacres of Israelis.

There is no need at all to "compress people into a pressure cooker." Jordan has vast expanses of vacant land, as does the Arabian desert, which is the Palestinians' historical homeland anyway. There, the Palestinians can live like kings, reunited with their brothers in freedom.

[microplasma]

Right, transfer of the Palestinians into an independent zone should absolutely not be seen as a punishment, but as a last-resort solution to save lives and allow the Palestinians to realize their national aspirations in a way in which they cannot carry on with their massacres of Israelis.

There is no need at all to "compress people into a pressure cooker." Jordan has vast expanses of vacant land, as does the Arabian desert, which is the Palestinians' historical homeland anyway. There, the Palestinians can live like kings, reunited with their brothers in freedom.

nice guy you live on their homeland and now you!!! deceide where their historic homeland is so they should go to jordan very good i feel sorry for you

[CuriousToo]

The time has come to let all sides fight it out and for the West to step back and let them continue this bloody battle until the end. There can be no solution to this issue.

The surrounding Arab states want Israel to be burned to the ground. Israel, unsurprisingly, disagrees with that sentiment.

Having said that, there is one obvious solution, but one that nobody seems to be very keen on taking. The people of Lebanon need to rise up against Hizbollah and to show that they are sick of Iran and Syria using them as pawns for their political gain. Then the other surrounding Arab states need to issue a statement backing the people of Lebanon. I can imagine that it is not easy to stand up to these types of groups, but it seems to me to be the only way.

Those harbouring Hizbollah gorillas and their arms, missiles and God knows what else are just as guilty.

[Mediocrates]

No it's not time for the west to let Israel take on Iran on her own. If they don't want nuclear missiles falling on Berlin or Palermo then they'll have to step up.

[CuriousToo]

I am not suggesting that they do, but they can force Syria into the conflict (like it isn’t already) and then Iran will have to retaliate. This in kind will force the West to take action against Iran and it will give them the excuse we have all been waiting for.

Iran does not have a Nuclear Capability..........yet.

[NewsGuy]

nice guy you live on their homeland and now you!!! deceide where their historic homeland is so they should go to jordan very good i feel sorry for you

No, the Arabs are simply land thieves who are brutally occupying large parts of the Jewish homeland.

They should go back to their own homleands in Jordan and Saudi Arabia where they can live in peace and dignity among their brothers.

[Mediocrates]

nice guy you live on their homeland and now you!!! deceide where their historic homeland is so they should go to jordan very good i feel sorry for you

My homeland is New York City. And I'd appreciate if you gave it back to me.

[microplasma]

Medicrates Hmm You Have An Answer To Everything???? New York Is Not A Land Just To Let U Know And Yes I Would Give U 10 New Yorks If You Would Get Out Of Jerusalem For Its People Like U Who Start A 3ww If I Had Another Planet I Would Give It To You To Get Lost And Yes The Earth Would Be A Much Better Place For U Want To Wage Wars But Belive Me The West Will Never Help You ,the Only People U Can Count On Is America And I Feel Sorry That U Have To Curse People When They Dont Agree With You, It Shows The House You Come From.
After I Answerd To All This Babytalk U Send Me I Will Come To The Point , I Recorgnise Theright Of Israel To Excist And For It To Defend Itself But A Civilized Country That Has Signed The Geneva Conv And Breaks It Day By Day Killing Innocent And Smt. U Even Get Some Of The Guilty(wich Doesnt Make It Better) Can Not Expect Anything From The World ,you Are Not Better Your Are Worse For You Kiddnap Kill Lie Steal Etc With The Coordination Of Your Goverment So Go On And Course People Because When U Cant Tell Them That They Are Ant-semits U Will Course Them

[rastal]

Recent situation: over 500 000 people have forced to leave their homes.

By tuesday Israel has killed 233 people, most of them civilians...

With this informations it seems that there are three terrorist organization killing each others civilians: Hamas, Hizbollah and Israel.

People do never learn in middle east...

[Mediocrates]

Medicrates Hmm You Have An Answer To Everything????

Yes - even the word salad.