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    Annaliese
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    Loose Canons: The Cartoon Intifada

    Freedom of speech and freedom of the press aren't in the First Amendment to protect what's popular, because there's no need to. Our Constitution protects the worst because the Founders knew that if you don't, you can't protect the best. The cartoon intifada proves that too many Muslims believe that our First Amendment rights should -- by law or violence -- be limited to what Islamic law allows. Free speech has its limits -- such as leaking government secrets to the press and shouting "fire" in a crowded theater -- but the limits don't depend on whose ox is being gored. That's why Jews will picket Nazi demonstrations but not throw fire bombs, why Americans shout with rage at flag burners but don't shoot at them, and why James Risen and other reporters should be hauled in front of a grand jury forthwith and be compelled to disclose the sources of leaks that have damaged our national security.

    The cartoon intifada is significant because it is entirely manufactured by Muslim governments, fueled by their radical imams and intended to intimidate non-Muslim nations into making free speech Muslims find offensive illegal. If its goal were achieved, the First Amendment would be written out of the Constitution.

    The genesis of it is clear. The cartoons depicting Islam's founder, Mohammed, in the satiric, distasteful and disreputable ways of editorial cartoonists were published by the Danish paper Jyllands-Posten in September 2005, having been selected from entries in a contest that was to demonstrate that Islam wasn't protected by political correctness any more than other religions were. There was almost no noticeable reaction to them. But when the 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference met in Mecca in December, they decided to manufacture the cartoon intifada.

    As I read on the air during Laura Ingraham's show and reported on our blog last week, an editorial in the Saudi government-controlled daily Arab News revealed how this was decided and by whom. As a result of that airing, Arab News pulled the editorial from its website. Fortunately, the substance of that editorial was still published on the website of the International Herald Tribune. As the IHT reported, the communique published at the end of the December conference "took note of the issue when it expressed 'concern at rising hatred against Islam and Muslims and condemned the recent incident of desecration of the image of the Holy Prophet Muhammad in the media of certain countries' as well as over 'using the freedom of expression as a pretext to defame religions.'" And so the cartoon intifada was launched. In Lebanon, Syria, and Iran embassies have been torched. Last week, tens of thousands of protesters marched in more than a dozen nations in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia. A Saudi boycott of Danish products has spread to other Muslim nations. Blood is being shed because governments have decided it should be and because this is part of the ideological battle against freedom these nations wage using religion as a weapon, and clerics as battlefield commanders.

    On Saturday, a page-one story in Arab News published excerpts from the Friday sermon of Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais, one of the Saudis' most important imams. In it, Al-Sudais said, "All Islamic countries have condemned this act of crime....We make a call from the podium of the Grand Mosque and the birthplace of Islam, on behalf of Muslims all over the world, that tough punishment should be imposed on those who make a mockery of the Prophet," the imam said. And not a word of dissent has yet been heard from the governments of Saudi Arabia and their ilk. Nor will there be. Like terrorism, most of the cartoon intifada is state-sponsored. And, like terrorism, it must be fought with all our might.

    We should welcome this fight and not just because we fight from a position of moral strength. The prosperity and strength of our society are the direct results of the freedoms we enjoy. Were they not enriched by an accident of geology, the Arab nations would be as poor and powerless as they were a century ago and even less significant. Why can't we just say that? Our society, our culture, and our system of Constitutional government succeed because we do not allow religion to infringe on our other freedoms. Religious freedom is no less important than freedom of speech, but neither can be allowed to limit the other. If Saudis or Egyptians or Iranians choose to impose religious dogma to limit their own freedoms, that is their business. But they must know we will not just oppose them in this ideological war, we will fight with whatever weapons may be necessary to maintain our freedoms and prevent any religion or ideology from limiting them in any way. If only Europe could say the same.

    Europe's efficiency has improved immeasurably in the 68 years since Munich. Radical Islamic threats need not reach the level of intimidation the Wehrmacht presented to achieve its desired result. Saladin's horsemen need not charge into Paris, or the Twelfth Imam reappear in Brussels to push the 21st Century EUnuchs to their own Chamberlain moment. On Wednesday, EU Justice and Security Minister Franco Frattini preemptively surrendered Europe's press freedom to the cartoon intifada.

    Frattini said that the EU would consider imposing a "voluntary" code of conduct on the European press to avoid giving offense to Muslims as the Danish cartoons had: "The press will give the Muslim world the message: we are aware of the consequences of exercising the right of free expression....We can and we are ready to self-regulate that right." OK, so Frattini hasn't gone as far as Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais demanded. A voluntary code of conduct doesn't impose criminal penalties on those who mock Mohammed. Give it time. It will only take a little. Be careful what you say in Europe, and who you say it to. In too many places, "hate speech" is a minor crime. Soon it will be a major one if the subject is Islam.

    It's hard to gauge who is the greater threat to freedom. Is it the cowards of Europe or the radical Islamists of the Middle East? It's probably the former because, without them, it would be immeasurably easier to defeat the latter.

    http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=9400

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    varian
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    "...Even moderates say Muslims had every right to feel outrage over the 12 drawings, which include an image of their revered prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse.

    But they fear the violent reaction in some quarters only worsens the clash of civilizations that many in the Mideast dread as much as the West.

    "This time, Arabs and Muslims have entered a just war ... but emerged from it with ruinous results that have led to a new distortion of Islam in the West," Saleh al-Qallab, a former Jordanian minister, wrote in the Saudi daily Asharq al-Awsat.

    "We should be brave enough to admit that attempts to deepen the gap between the Christian West and the Muslim East have led to an Arab and Muslim defeat in this round," he added.

    Many in the free world also feel outrage - outrage at the attempt of the Islamofascists to force their sensitivities upon all non-Muslims. For some Americans, the outrage over 9/11 is still smoldering. Precious few Islamic sites have been defaced over that incident, so Arab outrage and actions

    Ghassan Salame, a former Lebanese minister of culture, said the reaction was "disproportionate to the offense."

    "I'm not sure this episode has done good for those who have called for mutual understanding and respect and did not do much to help moderate Islam market itself all over the world," he told The Associated Press.

    It was a sentiment shared by many in the public.

    "Those who use violence are overreacting," said Saleh al-Igrazi, a 35-year-old Iraqi dentist. "They give a bad impression of Muslims, who are shown to the world to be troublemakers and even terrorists."{emphasis by this poster}

    Some believe autocratic regimes have kept the issue alive for political reasons — to redirect their citizens' anger, to burnish governments' Islamic credentials or to undermine reformists, whose quest for democracy is often identified with Western calls for change. ..."
    http://www.foxnews.com/printer_frien...184421,00.html

    Since many Americans are still outraged about the incident on 9/11, Islamic outrage over these cartoons really does give a bad impression of Muslims. It will be a battle to impose Islamic censorship upon the free world. If this is considered a clash of cultures, then so be it!!!

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    Annaliese
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    I always watch Fox News for any coverage of Israel, however, I wonder if Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, who has purchased a chunk of it and has already been boasting about his influence on Fox News, will leave Americans no pro-Israel news coverage at all on television.


    Quote Originally Posted by varian
    Since many Americans are still outraged about the incident on 9/11, Islamic outrage over these cartoons really does give a bad impression of Muslims. It will be a battle to impose Islamic censorship upon the free world. If this is considered a clash of cultures, then so be it!!!
    Outrage doesn't begin to cover my feelings about 9/11. Please recall the first WTC bombing (1993) as well as the PC attitudes among so many here.

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    varian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annaliese
    Outrage doesn't begin to cover my feelings about 9/11. Please recall the first WTC bombing (1993) as well as the PC attitudes among so many here.
    Speaking about the WTC (circa 1993) bombing; check out the following web site.
    www.peterlance.com/
    Click on Terrorism in the header and then read thru Timeline Part I - III. This was covered in one of his books that I read. Watch your blood pressure though.

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    determinism
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    Annaliese,

    what do you think of the holocaust cartoons iran is promoting? should they be shown in US newspapers?

    Outrage doesn't begin to cover my feelings about 9/11. Please recall the first WTC bombing (1993) as well as the PC attitudes among so many here.
    how do you think the arabs feel about e.g the iraq boycott that killed an estimated 800.000 people?

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    Annaliese
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    Quote Originally Posted by varian
    Speaking about the WTC (circa 1993) bombing; check out the following web site.
    www.peterlance.com/
    Click on Terrorism in the header and then read thru Timeline Part I - III. This was covered in one of his books that I read. Watch your blood pressure though.
    It's not my blood pressure: it's my heart.

    WHY, WHY, WHY?

    varian, I knew a lot of this (the Oklahoma City bombing connection to muslims, the ignored warnings, the muslims having blown Flight 800 out of the sky), but not a lot of the details.

    The details leave me heartbroken.

    What is going on here? Terrorist moles in the FDNY? It looks as though they are also in the FBI, to say the least. It can't be explained by incompetence (alone), can it? The US State Department has a sickening history, as I'm presuming you already know, but, OMG ... this is all too much to take in.

    I could make several more comments, but I know it will devolve into what is termed hate speech (on this forum).

    Thank you for posting the link. I am going to look through Mr. Lance's work and perhaps buy a book or two of his.

    I'm sorry, but I've forgotten: are you a Christian? If you are, do you know what shanda is?

    Okay, I'm done for now. Or should I say, I'm done in for now? No sad or crying emoticon? Well, give it time because I am sure to proceed to anger at some point.

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    Annaliese
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    Quote Originally Posted by determinism
    Annaliese,

    what do you think of the holocaust cartoons iran is promoting? should they be shown in US newspapers?
    In the US, we have freedom of speech. The way it works here is we allow such things and then we have the right to react. We don't react like the muslims around the world, however. In the case of the Holocaust/Shoah "cartoons" those 2-faced punks in iran are promoting, we will simply reply with truth.



    Quote Originally Posted by determinism
    how do you think the arabs feel about e.g the iraq boycott that killed an estimated 800.000 people?
    Don't even go there. Humanitarian aid was provided and saddam kept it for himself. If the arabs can't face that, it's their problem.

    By the way, you are in austria I see. Are you a Holocaust/Shoah denier? Your posts are quite revealing.

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    varian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annaliese
    I'm sorry, but I've forgotten: are you a Christian? If you are, do you know what shanda is?
    My background was in various Christian sects, but I'm trying to study the Torah/Tanakh from a purely Jewish persective. Conversion to Judaism is a slow process according to some rabbis, so it will give me time to study properly. I'm not familiar with the term "shanda," what does it mean?

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    Annaliese
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    Shame.

    It means shame.

    Now you have me intrigued: did you become disillusioned with Christianity or are you merely studying Judaism for study's sake?

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    determinism
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    Anneliese,

    Don't even go there. Humanitarian aid was provided and saddam kept it for himself. If the arabs can't face that, it's their problem.
    i don't think it was quite that simple. essential medical etc. supplies were held back at the borders.

    By the way, you are in austria I see. Are you a Holocaust/Shoah denier? Your posts are quite revealing.
    there is no question that organized mass murder happened.

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    In Iraq the numbers quoted sum up essentially every death in the country that occured for any reason and then lumps everything together under "It's the US's fault because they had sanctions."

    In other words they're making a political point, not an epidemiological one.

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    determinism
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    Medio,

    these guesstimate come from the UN not the iraqis.
    in any case, the boycott certainly killed more people than 911.

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    Annaliese
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    Quote Originally Posted by determinism
    Medio,

    these guesstimate come from the UN not the iraqis.
    in any case, the boycott certainly killed more people than 911.

    The UN?????? LMAO http://www.eyeontheun.com

    You are comparing 9/11? ... truly sickening ...

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    determinism
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    sorry those are UN numbers. deal with it.

    You are comparing 9/11?
    i see 911 cannot be compared with anything else ? .... why is that?

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    minusthejihad
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    Quote Originally Posted by determinism
    sorry those are UN numbers. deal with it.
    You deal with it. I don't care much for Arab on Arab violence, starvation, cruelty, etc. I let whiny liberal European wanna-be Arab white boys like you worry about it.

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