A Jew Is Tortured and Killed in Paris...But Is it Anti-Semitism? Mais, non!

[ShimonG]

Even Jewish historian's like Bernard Lewis will confirm this, and one of your sages even said
"If it weren't for Mohammed we Jews would have become extinct"

The Prophet said:
"Whoever hurts a dhimmi (non-Muslim living under the protection of the a Muslim state), it is as if he has hurt me."

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[Shohad]

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[Shohad]

It is not arguable that the Jews in the Muslim world were doing better than the Jews in the Christian world.

I think that saying that the Muslims wanted to kill more Jews, but couldn't due to technical difficulties is not true. Discrimination and anti-semitism were part of daily life, I am sure, but it takes an ideology like Nazism to commit a holocaust.

The barbarik Kazaks lead by bogdan khmelnizki in the 17th century killed hundreds of thousands of Jews all over eastern Europe and I don't think they had gas chambers to do so.

Much of the Arab-Israeli conflict is indeed about land. The Arabs recruited classical Islamic anti-semitism to serve their political agenda and they have rebuilt it to be the islamofascism of today.

[takeo]

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Rabbi Eric Yoffie, head of Reform Judaism’s Union of American Hebrew Congregations: "Our view is that there is truth and holiness in other religious faiths. Our view is that there are many paths to God."
You, on the contrary, seem to lack even the basic tolerance for other religions and convictions.

[takeo]

It is not arguable that the Jews in the Muslim world were doing better than the Jews in the Christian world.

I think that saying that the Muslims wanted to kill more Jews, but couldn't due to technical difficulties is not true. Discrimination and anti-semitism were part of daily life, I am sure, but it takes an ideology like Nazism to commit a holocaust.

The barbarik Kazaks lead by bogdan khmelnizki in the 17th century killed hundreds of thousands of Jews all over eastern Europe and I don't think they had gas chambers to do so.

Much of the Arab-Israeli conflict is indeed about land. The Arabs recruited classical Islamic anti-semitism to serve their political agenda and they have rebuilt it to be the islamofascism of today.

I agree, except to your last sentence. There is no such thing as islamofascism, Arabs are religious and/or nationalist and/or anti-semitic, but it's not fascism. They don't believe in the superiority of their race, rather they pretend to be the victim of Western/zionist etc. oppression, sometimes based on facts, sometimes based on myths and lies.
Antisemitism is just racism, as the racism against Arabs in Israel or France, against Afro-Americans in the US, or the racism against Aboriginals in Australia. Every people with another religion, language and customs living among a different people have been victim of racism or religious intolerance at some point in history.

[takeo]

If I ruled Iran then Iran would be for Iranians which includes Azeris, Kurds, Lurs, Hyrcanians and Persians. What you don't seem to understand is that Azeris are genetically Iranian. They are not a mix of some other race and Iranian. They ARE Iranian. You don't know much about the history of Iran and I don't expect you to know much but if you look at Iran 7000 years ago, Persians, Kurds, Azeris, Lurs and Hyrcanians all come from the same tribe.

Which tribe? Indo-Europeans? This includes half of the world. Iranic tribe? This includes the Scythes and Ossetes in Russia, as well as the Kurds (do you claim a part of Turkey?) and most Afghan tribes... And by the way Azeri and Turkmen speak a Turkish language, which is not related to Farsi, at all. Why do nationalists always have to distort history to serve their ideology? This happens in the Balcans and the Middle East especially.

[takeo]

Some historians say that Azeris are Iranic people, but others believe that they were a Turkic people. Another group of historians claim that Azeris are native to Caucasia. So there are three versions as to their origins. There is no reliable evidence. Nationalist Iranians claim that they were Iranic, Turks claim they were Turkic bla bla bla..

Exactly. In reality of course they are a mix of the three, and other peoples as well (Russians, Arabs, Mongols, Armenian, etc.)

[Shohad]

I agree, except to your last sentence. There is no such thing as islamofascism, Arabs are religious and/or nationalist and/or anti-semitic, but it's not fascism. They don't believe in the superiority of their race, rather they pretend to be the victim of Western/zionist etc. oppression, sometimes based on facts, sometimes based on myths and lies.
Antisemitism is just racism, as the racism against Arabs in Israel or France, against Afro-Americans in the US, or the racism against Aboriginals in Australia. Every people with another religion, language and customs living among a different people have been victim of racism or religious intolerance at some point in history.

Islamofascism is a handy term of describing the combination of Nazi class Jew hatred with a strive to create a unified political identity for the Muslim world (instead of a race, the classical Nazi case). “Islamism” could be interpret in many ways, it doesn’t sound necessarily bad.

[takeo]

Islamofascism is a handy term of describing the combination of Nazi class Jew hatred with a strive to create a unified political identity for the Muslim world (instead of a race, the classical Nazi case). “Islamism” could be interpret in many ways, it doesn’t sound necessarily bad.

Islamism or fundamentalism is a much more accurate terminology. Islamists want to introduce Shariah and create a Muslim empire, because "togetherness" is central in Islam. They don't or barely tolerate other religions. It has little or nothing in common with facism, which is based on Darwin's evolution theory, but a lot in common with Hindu, Jewish or Christian fundamentalists.

[ShimonG]

Rabbi Eric Yoffie, head of Reform Judaism’s Union of American Hebrew Congregations: "Our view is that there is truth and holiness in other religious faiths. Our view is that there are many paths to God."
You, on the contrary, seem to lack even the basic tolerance for other religions and convictions.

You really are a moron and a lying sack of dog turd.

You are the one who recently insulted perhaps the most peaceful religion on this planet: Buddhism, calling it stupid.

I have expressed a complete abhorrence of islam, based on its own teachings and the vile filthy acts of its prophet mohammad.

How does contempt for ONE SINGLE CONTEMPTIBLE RELIGION translate to "seem to lack even the basic tolerance for other religions and convictions."

There are many religions worthy of respect and study. islam is not one of them.

And based on your calling buddhism stupid, i think you have proved your own intolerance and complete ignorance. You are a perfect foil for the mohammad apologists on this forum.

I am glad that more and more forumites have recognized you for the sick mohammad apologist that you are.

[takeo]

You really are a moron and a lying sack of dog turd.

You are the one who recently insulted perhaps the most peaceful religion on this planet: Buddhism, calling it stupid.

I have expressed a complete abhorrence of islam, based on its own teachings and the vile filthy acts of its prophet mohammad.

How does contempt for ONE SINGLE CONTEMPTIBLE RELIGION translate to "seem to lack even the basic tolerance for other religions and convictions."

There are many religions worthy of respect and study. islam is not one of them.

And based on your calling buddhism stupid, i think you have proved your own intolerance and complete ignorance. You are a perfect foil for the mohammad apologists on this forum.

I am glad that more and more forumites have recognized you for the sick mohammad apologist that you are.

You are full of hate, should go in therapy.
And I never called Budism a stupuid religion, I called Hinduism a stupid religion, but I never compared hinduists to pigs and never displayed any hate towards them.

[Arjun]

You are full of hate, should go in therapy.
And I never called Budism a stupuid religion, I called Hinduism a stupid religion, but I never compared hinduists to pigs and never displayed any hate towards them.

takeo,

In the same post you accuse ShimonG of hatred and then you go ahead and espouse your own hatred towards Hindus by calling them stupid. This convoluted sense of logic and delusion with aggravated sense of grandeur comes from your unconscious mind which has its origin in insecurity and inferiority complex of French.

It was laughable to see how French were brought down to their knees by few hooligans rampaging around Paris. That's where the sense of insecurity comes from. French can keep on thinking that they are still a world power (center of the world), unfortunately, without USA's support they would have been speaking probably German by now.

The sense of inferiority comes from repeated drubbings at the hands of British/German and many others during the history. Now that creates a pressure point in the unconscious mind which needs frequent releases.

Hence, where ever you see a soft spot who can do no harm (no fear of retaliation) by its very nature, you try to release your own unconscious pressures/built-up by making them scapegoats. This is genetically inherent in particulalry EU countries which has seen one of the worst crimes against humanity.

The very fact that initially you abused Jains and then Hindus .....shows your own racist tendencies and prejudices ingrained in the surrounding environment in which you grew in.

You do not need to display any hatred, it is very obvious from your repeated disparaging remarks about other cultures.The philosophy of east has evolved over 10,000 years. Obviously, for a kid many things an adult do will appear to be stupid.

Howsoever hard you may try to mollycoddle Jihadis by hiding behind aggravated sense of self-grandeur and abusing far away cultures, you eventually will have to deal with them.

So grow up and behave like an adult. I know it's difficult for you....may be in few more years there might be some hope.

Bon chance!

[Shohad]

Islamism or fundamentalism is a much more accurate terminology. Islamists want to introduce Shariah and create a Muslim empire, because "togetherness" is central in Islam. They don't or barely tolerate other religions. It has little or nothing in common with facism, which is based on Darwin's evolution theory, but a lot in common with Hindu, Jewish or Christian fundamentalists.

I don't care how you call them. The comparison between them and the Nazis is not baseless. The term I used is more of an insult rather than a scientific definition and I didn't claim it was.

[Muslima]

More filthy lies. The Arab and Islamic hatred of Jews is based on the qoran and actions of mohammad. NOT ON LAND. The land of Eretz Israel is a convenient excuse used by anti-semitic filth, trying to sneak a fast ball in.

The islamic pogroms against jews far preceeded 1947 and go back to mohammad himself.

As redcake and others have pointed out, the only reason arabs and moslems have not managed to kill a greater number of jews was because of their own technological backwardness in their instruments to kills jews.

nice try, mohammad_a

ShimonG you are a hateful liar, and i've noticed you've never backed up anything you say with any sources. Clearly you a sad case.

You are not even worth the time to reply, but i'm curious to hear how you would respond to the link below

An ignoramus like you wrote to Daniel Pipes (a critic of Militiant Islam and also an acknowledged expert on Islam) with the same assertions, and this is what Daniel replied:

Daniel Pipes replies:

"Suffice to say, to justify my assertion, that Muslims did not engage in the sort of pogroms that were common in Christian countries from the Crusades until the 20th century. "

DP

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/20395

Another thing, The Prophet's life is very well documented, stop making up fairy stories. Here is what NON MUSLIM historians have to say about him,

What non Muslims say about The Prophet

http://www.israelforum.com/board/sho...&postcount=104

http://www.israelforum.com/board/sho...&postcount=105

http://www.israelforum.com/board/sho...&postcount=106

You only serve to make yourself look like a complete fool.

[Womble]

I agree, except to your last sentence. There is no such thing as islamofascism, Arabs are religious and/or nationalist and/or anti-semitic, but it's not fascism. They don't believe in the superiority of their race, rather they pretend to be the victim of Western/zionist etc. oppression, sometimes based on facts, sometimes based on myths and lies.

Fascism is not about superiority of the race.
Both the pan-Arab and the pan-Islamic ideologies borrow very heavily from fascism. Most of the secular Arab regimes (most typically that of Nasser in Egypt) were based on the European fascist model borrowed directly from Germany and Italy.

Antisemitism is just racism, as the racism against Arabs in Israel or France, against Afro-Americans in the US, or the racism against Aboriginals in Australia. Every people with another religion, language and customs living among a different people have been victim of racism or religious intolerance at some point in history.

Anti-Semitism is pretty unique as far as racism goes. It is the only kind of racism that is conspiratorial in nature and claims a de-facto superiority of the hated over the hater. Unlike, for example, racism against the Black or the Aborigens in Australia, who are scorned for being "inferior" and "primitive", the Jew haters accuse the Jews of being MORE powerful, MORE intelligent and MORE sophisticated than the haters themselves.