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    Hammas in Turkey?

    Zaman, Turkey
    Feb 25 2006

    Turkey's Initiative Brings HAMAS Crack in Washington to Light
    By Ali H. Aslan, Washington
    Published: Saturday, February 25, 2006
    zaman.com


    HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement) political leader Khaled
    Mashaal's visit and contacts in Turkey opened the way for different
    reactions in the United States.

    Different voices rising from the US capital reflect the disagreement
    on the issue.

    Though the Bush administration is following a policy of isolation
    towards HAMAS, a consensus has yet to be found in the American
    capital.

    The disagreements are also manifesting themselves in the attitudes
    taken towards Ankara's initiative in the Middle East.

    Former US National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski told Zaman he
    finds Turkey's move "excellent".

    Several representatives of the Realist and Arabist school would agree
    as well. However, pro-Israelis, the Jewish community and most
    Neo-cons are offended and angered by the Justice and Development
    Party (AKP) government in Turkey.

    The US administration is also discontented, but they are careful not
    to openly broadcast it to the Turks. No tension is felt within
    official relations, as was the case with the March 1 deployment
    motion.

    Brzezinski, speaking on a panel at the CSIS think tank, said Israel's
    Likud Party and the Palestine Liberation Organization has a past full
    of violence, but have evolved in time. He added that while making
    judgments about HAMAS, one should look at its actions and attitudes.
    "I hope HAMAS will change, too."

    When reminded that Turkey hosted a HAMAS delegation in Ankara last
    week, Brzezinski said "Very good."

    To the next question, "Do you think this was a good move?' he replied
    that it was an excellent move, consistent with what was said, "We
    have to move them (HAMAS) in the right direction."

    Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) Director
    Shoshana Bryen said: `It was a terrible thing to do. It was an awful
    thing to do. It was providing political comfort to a terrorist
    organization." Bryen termed Turkey's statement of "we gave the right
    messages" as "ridiculous;" and said, "There are a variety of ways to
    say the right things to HAMAS."

    Graham Fuller, a prominent Islamic World expert in the United States,
    is quite happy with the development: "This is a foresighted, brave
    and pioneering move at a time when Washington and some parts of
    Europe are paralyzed about what to do. This is exactly the valuable
    role Turkey can and will play in bridging the Arab world and the
    West."

    But if you ask Michael Rubin from the American Enterprise Institute
    (AEI), the tower of Neo-Cons, `Turkey is no moderator,' between
    Israel and Palestine. `Mediators work quietly and responsibly. They
    do not perform for the press. Nor do they act unilaterally,' Mr.
    Rubin emphasized.

    Shoshana Bryen also emphasizes that it is "impossible" for Turkey to
    act as a mediator since it lost its "credibility".

    Barry Jacobs from the American Jewish Committee (AJC) thinks the
    Turkish government, which met with a force who considers the state of
    Israel non-existent, has deviated from its traditional policy,
    "Turkey has always supported a two state solution. HAMAS does not
    support a two state solution.'

    According to Clayton E. Swisher, Director of Programs at the Middle
    East Institute in Washington DC and author of `The Truth About Camp
    David', Arabs rely more and more on Turkey's ability for diplomacy
    with Israel, and that it will use this ability for the benefit of all
    Muslims; especially the Palestinians, more than traditional mediators
    such as the US.

    Kamal Beyoghlow, a Middle East expert from the National War College
    (NWC) attached to the Pentagon, is one of those who think that the US
    administration should create an opportunity similar to the one Russia
    made with HAMAS. Beyoghlow thinks that one may even meet with the
    "devil" with the aim of changing him.

    Retired ambassador Philip Wilcox, a former counter-terrorism officer
    at the US State Department, is not against meeting with terrorist
    groups. `It is useful not to accept HAMAS's policies, but to engage
    them, to challenge them and engage in a dialogue with them" he says,
    `And then we will see if they are capable of changing.' Now president
    of the Foundation for Middle East Peace, ambassador Wilcox sees it
    one of the goals of dialogue to "reach moderate and pragmatic
    elements" in the organization as he points out the pragmatic elements
    in HAMAS. According to Wilcox, the `virtue' of Turkey's early meeting
    with HAMAS is `to help shake their own thinking at a time when they
    are experiencing a very deep internal debate about policy.'

    Jacobs likens the meeting with the terrorist organization to if PKK's
    leader Abdullah Ocalan was welcomed by the White House. "HAMAS is
    worse than the PKK. Because the PKK wanted part of Turkey, but never
    said we need to destroy Turkish state.' he said. To Jacobs, the
    Jewish congregation was provoked and "Actions have consequences."

    A source from the US Congress comments that," Armenians were given a
    present two months before April 24. " Bryen notes that the issue of
    Armenian genocide is extremely important for Turkey, just as HAMAS is
    extremely important for Jews, and Turkey has made a hash of this
    issue. `Much of the willingness of the American Jewish community to
    help on this issue was because we thought of Turkey, and still think
    of Turkey, as a country who was basically on our side of the
    civilizational divide,' he adds.


    Rubin describes that not only Congress, but also relations between
    Turkish and US administrations have been "negatively" affected. Rubin
    claims that Turkish officials "lied outright" to Washington, adding,
    `I cannot imagine that the White House will ever again trust Prime
    Minister Erdogan or Foreign Minister Gul.'

    According to Swisher, `There are far more important issues for
    Washington to follow Turkey's behavior on than a delegational visit
    by HAMAS (especially given that Egypt has followed suit and others
    like Russia are not far behind)." Swisher says that the US cannot
    bring HAMAS to "the negotiation table" out of political
    considerations, but there may be a "silent assent" in Washington if
    Turkey manages this. Swisher finds it "doubtful" that Turkey would
    take such a step without in some way consulting the US
    administration.

    Sources from the US administration confirm that a preliminary
    consultative meeting was held with Ankara, yet they complain about
    the ambiguity, timing and the members of HAMAS delegate. They even
    received an explanation from the Turkish government following the
    meeting. "For us, only the messages given by Turkey are important,"
    they say. Yet, they do not mean only things said in the "messages
    given". It is "how and at what level the HAMAS delegate was
    welcomed". For example, the fact that HAMAS was welcomed cordially by
    the foreign ministry and Mashaal was in the HAMAS delegate disturbed
    the Americans. But this dissatisfaction they prefer to express behind
    closed doors.

    Some in Congress, the Jewish congregation, pro-Israeli influential
    think-tank institutions and others from the Pentagon find the
    statements made in the name of US government "soft"; while officials
    from the state department are not "eager to quarrel before the
    public."

    Officials in the administration avoided saying that Turkish-US
    relations are "damaged"; however, they are concerned about a possible
    failure in Israeli-Turkish relations. "Israel would not be so foolish
    as to risk that relationship. Israeli meddling on the Kurd issue is
    far more a liability to the relationship with Ankara than a mere
    visit by Mashaal," Swisher thinks.

    Fuller voices the opinion that "The West and Israel will have to deal
    with the reality of a popularly elected Palestinian party, they must
    not prejudge it, and must give it a chance to succeed, or fail."

    Brzezinski: Ankara's attempt was an excellent move. I hope that HAMAS
    will change when it forms the government.

    Bryen: Turkey has done an awful thing. There are many other ways to
    deliver messages to a terrorist organization.

    Jacobs: HAMAS is worse than the PKK. It is as if Ocalan was welcomed
    at the White House. There will be consequences to this.

    Beyoghlow: One can even meet with the devil in the hopes of changing
    him. The US should attempt a similar opening.

    Fuller: This is a brave and pioneering move at a time when the
    international community is paralyzed.

    Wilcox: Dialogue with HAMAS is a good method to reach out and
    moderate pragmatic elements within the organization.

    Swisher: Israel's involvement in the Kurdish issue is a bigger
    problem than HAMAS' visit.

    Rubin: Those who work as mediators must work responsibly; they should
    not act unilaterally nor perform to the press.

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    It is funny, I was just about to post that exact article, great minds think alike apparently

    I would however like to note that the unreasonable and backstabbing "Ally" of Israel has also expressed indignation over Hamas being compared to the PKK.

    This is not surprising to me though.

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    Oh no :)

    MrRight: Hey AraV, I have found a news to drive Turkey into corner.
    AraV: Hey we are Armenian, let us an Israeli write and then w ego on

    MrRight: Hey guy, this is already our purpose, to trouble the waters.
    AraV: Guy, you write then. They write too much when I write. I dont have enough time to reply them. You do all these provocation quite well. It is better you broach the subject.

    MrRight: ok I am writing now. You write 2 days later.
    AraV: ok. By the way you follow the journals of Turkey quite well; nothing escapes you. They delivered ultimatom to Hamas to recognize Israel, don’t write about these )

    MrRight: don’t worry. I ‘ll write about the subjects that suit us. Nothing escapes me. After we write this writing, we ‘ll lick ash of the Jewish better and we’ll get closer.

    AraV: Guy, you’re supeerrrrrr. But lets wait a Turk to write somehing; after that we change this topic into Armenian Genocide. ))

    MrRight: Yeah, you’re wonderful. But 'sharonbn' closes the subjects directly now. We must write less showy messages.
    AraV: You’re right. This message will get reaction of them; they see what is Turkey. We must go on our licking.

    3 days later:
    MrRight: Guy, I got mad. No one wrote anything. Look at our folder, only you and I wrote. I think no one likes us in this forum. What you think?
    AraV: You’re right. eating the is only our right. It is better we fck off here.


    MrRight: I’ll ask you something. Between you and me, I think as if we follow the wrong policy. I mean, instead of detracting Turkey, I think we must try to come to terms and tell what happened in history. What you think?
    AraV: We are Armenian, we were taught to attack Turkey , how will we do this? Lets make something then. ..

    AVOID MY FAKES/ IMITATIONS ))

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    USA says: we are informerd before HAMAS's visit.

    Turkey can not invite HAMAS as a NATO and UN member. Turkey Republic informerd USA

    Secondly, HAMAS did not contact direct to PM or Foreign minister. Hamas only contacted to few diplomats from Foreign Ministry.

    And finally, do you have any damn idea what Turkey told?

    Turkey told:

    1-End the terrorism
    2-Leave your guns
    3-Recognize the Israel

    -------------------

    So there is nothing wrong about it.

    -------------------

    And you Armenian parazites; Hamas visited the Russia after Turkey republic. Look Turkey said the facts about Israel; but what Russia did? Russia is selling guns to Hamas... So:

    1-Turkey visit is positive for ISRAEL!
    2-Russia visit is not positive for ISRAEL!

    it means you can't fool anybody, that's why Israelis or any Jewish did not create any topic.

    But you idiots are seeking every holes; well, you're not succesful. Atleast you could create topic about Hamas's Russia visit and Russia's gun selling to them.

    Yo god damn idiot parazites whatta foolish guys are you?

    OFF TOPIC:
    Why should Turkey help to HAMAS? no reason... Turkey has military trainings with Israel, Turkey buys guns, there is a god damn strong trade between two allyies.

    I recommend you to discuss about Russia's gun selling to HAMAS...

    TO THE MODERATOR(S):
    Please lock the thread; it's clearly a provacation. You can read related news from any Israeli-American related newspapers.
    Last edited by Cellis; 02-28-2006 at 12:04 PM.

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    Serdar allowing the visit legitimized Hamas, and you forgot Armenia is independent of Russia, and even if I was Russian which I'm not how does one country legitimizing Hamas justify another doing it?

    I wonder what the Turkish authorities would think if we were to invite [PKK leader] Abdullah Ocalan for talks in Israel?
    -Raanan Gissin

    Well Serdar can you answer that question for us?

    isy Mr.Right and I don't have to conspire to show bad news from Turkey the way you suggested, Mr.Erdogan, and Turkish Parlaiment does that for us.

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    Oh please. Neither the US nor Israel know what the hell to do. The US says it doesn't want to deal with Hamas, but then the government congratulates the Europeans for releasing aid to the Palestinians. Israel wants to "rethink" ties with Russia, but they keep sending their own mixed signals about dealing with a Hamas lead government too. Hamas has made it very clear what they are going to do. They are going to collect more aid on behalf of the Palestinians than has ever been collected and then they are going to continue to not recognize Israel. They will halt their own attacks (maybe) provided that Israel does the same. Nothing is said about the hald dozen other terror groups and what they can continue to do either. All of the political leaders all over the world are sending conflicting messages...except for Hamas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AraV
    Serdar allowing the visit legitimized Hamas, and you forgot Armenia is independent of Russia, and even if I was Russian which I'm not how does one country legitimizing Hamas justify another doing it?

    -Raanan Gissin

    Well Serdar can you answer that question for us?

    isy Mr.Right and I don't have to conspire to show bad news from Turkey the way you suggested, Mr.Erdogan, and Turkish Parlaiment does that for us.
    ok AraV and MrRight i have nothing to answer to this, it's right but did you think about it:

    Swisher: Israel's involvement in the Kurdish issue is a bigger
    problem than HAMAS' visit.

    Do you know what it is? Mossad's PKK trainings, Israel's official Kurdi Kurdish PKK translator requests and so on.

    And If PKK leader Öcalan would visit Israel, and if Israel would have given same messages (as ministry workers given to Hamas) such as "leave guns, end terrorism" i wouldn't be mad at Israel. I could be even glad.

    And you have no right to call it as "Hamas talks to Turkish government"... Prime Minister or Foreign Minister did not even contact to them. Just few party members and 2 diplomats from foreign ministry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isy
    MrRight: Hey AraV, I have found a news to drive Turkey into corner.
    AraV: Hey we are Armenian, let us an Israeli write and then w ego on

    MrRight: Hey guy, this is already our purpose, to trouble the waters.
    AraV: Guy, you write then. They write too much when I write. I dont have enough time to reply them. You do all these provocation quite well. It is better you broach the subject.

    MrRight: ok I am writing now. You write 2 days later.
    AraV: ok. By the way you follow the journals of Turkey quite well; nothing escapes you. They delivered ultimatom to Hamas to recognize Israel, don’t write about these

    MrRight: don’t worry. I ‘ll write about the subjects that suit us. Nothing escapes me. After we write this writing, we ‘ll lick ash of the Jewish better and we’ll get closer.

    AraV: Guy, you’re supeerrrrrr. But lets wait a Turk to write somehing; after that we change this topic into Armenian Genocide.

    MrRight: Yeah, you’re wonderful. But 'sharonbn' closes the subjects directly now. We must write less showy messages.
    AraV: You’re right. This message will get reaction of them; they see what is Turkey. We must go on our licking.

    3 days later:
    MrRight: Guy, I got mad. No one wrote anything. Look at our folder, only you and I wrote. I think no one likes us in this forum. What you think?
    AraV: You’re right. eating the is only our right. It is better we fck off here.


    MrRight: I’ll ask you something. Between you and me, I think as if we follow the wrong policy. I mean, instead of detracting Turkey, I think we must try to come to terms and tell what happened in history. What you think?
    AraV: We are Armenian, we were taught to attack Turkey , how will we do this? Lets make something then. ..

    AVOID MY FAKES/ IMITATIONS
    Didn't your sorry a$$ get banned from hyeforum lol, I remember you

    And I must applaud your creativity and if you use that energy into making your S$*thole country into a more civilized one, the world would be a better place

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mira
    Oh please...
    December 2005: Britain suggests cutting regional aid to Eastern Europe by 10%. The EU needs to save money, the budget needs to be trimmed.

    January 28, 2006: Hamas wins. The group is on the EU's list of terrorist organizations. According to Article 2 of the EU's 'common position' the European Community "shall ensure that funds, financial assets or economic resources... will not be made available, directly or indirectly, for the benefit of persons, groups or entities listed in the Annex" (terrorist organisations).

    January 30, 2006: The EU gets tough. The European Union threatens to cut off financial support unless Hamas renounces violence, recognizes Israel. The EU drafts a strongly worded statement that "violence and terror are not compatible with democratic processes."

    February 1, 2006: The Cartoon Controversy. In the course of a few days, Palestinians, angry about Danish newspaper cartoons: take over the EU commission's office in Gaza; throw a bomb at the French cultural center in Gaza City; briefly kidnap a German teacher; attack the German consulate; organize a boycott of European goods; burn a helluva lot of flags; and threaten to kill any Scandinavians they can get their hands on. (Many flee) EU officials wonder why people aren't reading their strongly worded statements against violence.

    February 5, 2006: 'Tis but a scratch! -- An internal investigation by Palestinian Attorney-General Ahmed al-Moghani reveals that $700 million dollars are "missing" from the Palestinian Authority coffers, most of it "squandered" and "stolen." Among some of the highlights: "a fictitious pipe factory funded by $2 million in Italian aid money."

    February 21, 2006: Ismail Haniya will head the new administration as Prime Minister. (Others get promises from the Saudis and that Ahma person in Iran?)

    February 27, 2006: Haniya tells reporters that Hamas is "ready to consider talks" with Israel if it accepts all of its demands. The Hamas charter remains unchanged.

    February 27, 2006: It's raining euros -- The EU announces it will give 120 million euros, it also unblocks 17.5 million euros that were frozen in a trust fund. European External Relations Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner says the EU isn't sure if it will support the new government or not. "We have to see what will be the programme of the government. We have to give them time."

    The EU giving 500 million euros last year: that's roughly what EU members Slovenia, Estonia, Cyprus and Malta all got in cohesion funds, combined.

    * Arafat managed to divert upwards of a billion dollars into private accounts during his tenure. The EU claims that (luckily) none of its funds were among those "diverted" or "used to finance illegal activities."


    (MM. Additional comment: Berlusconi tells Bush Putin will save the day. I just don't know which day it was).

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    Quote Originally Posted by serdar
    USA says: we are informerd before HAMAS's visit.

    Turkey can not invite HAMAS as a NATO and UN member. Turkey Republic informerd USA

    Secondly, HAMAS did not contact direct to PM or Foreign minister. Hamas only contacted to few diplomats from Foreign Ministry.

    And finally, do you have any damn idea what Turkey told?

    Turkey told:

    1-End the terrorism
    2-Leave your guns
    3-Recognize the Israel

    -------------------

    So there is nothing wrong about it.

    -------------------

    And you Armenian parazites; Hamas visited the Russia after Turkey republic. Look Turkey said the facts about Israel; but what Russia did? Russia is selling guns to Hamas... So:

    1-Turkey visit is positive for ISRAEL!
    2-Russia visit is not positive for ISRAEL!

    it means you can't fool anybody, that's why Israelis or any Jewish did not create any topic.

    But you idiots are seeking every holes; well, you're not succesful. Atleast you could create topic about Hamas's Russia visit and Russia's gun selling to them.

    Yo god damn idiot parazites whatta foolish guys are you?

    OFF TOPIC:
    Why should Turkey help to HAMAS? no reason... Turkey has military trainings with Israel, Turkey buys guns, there is a god damn strong trade between two allyies.

    I recommend you to discuss about Russia's gun selling to HAMAS...

    TO THE MODERATOR(S):
    Please lock the thread; it's clearly a provacation. You can read related news from any Israeli-American related newspapers.
    serdar,

    I fail to see your logic and argument. Armenia is an independent country and by accusing Russia of something you somehow accuse Armenia of the same thing and by your logic all the ex-Soviet states would fall under that blame also. Russia's foreign policy has nothing to do with Armenia's.

    And remember we had a long debate, after which you accepted that the Armenian Genocide occured, after which I think we made peace, and now you are calling me, but the worse all Armenians parasites, that is not right. I posted this article simply because I think it had something to do with Israel and it fits perfectly in this section of the forum, "Israeli-Arab Conflict"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrRight
    serdar,

    I fail to see your logic and argument. Armenia is an independent country and by accusing Russia of something you somehow accuse Armenia of the same thing and by your logic all the ex-Soviet states would fall under that blame also. Russia's foreign policy has nothing to do with Armenia's.

    And remember we had a long debate, after which you accepted that the Armenian Genocide occured, after which I think we made peace, and now you are calling me, but the worse all Armenians parasites, that is not right. I posted this article simply because I think it had something to do with Israel and it fits perfectly in this section of the forum, "Israeli-Arab Conflict"
    Yo posted, ok, but just see AraV's teasing reaction.

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    Talking hahaha idiot

    Quote Originally Posted by MrRight
    Didn't your sorry a$$ get banned from hyeforum lol, I remember you

    And I must applaud your creativity and if you use that energy into making your S$*thole country into a more civilized one, the world would be a better place


    Ban? I don’ t even remember that site. But even if I had registered, it is good because I can see parasites like you at least. You are still children Arav and Mr Right. We are still more educated and superior than you. You belong to the people who live under the shell of Russia and write and speak in Russian. If I were you, I would have inferiority comlex. I say these again, you can not write in this forum unless you are independent in your country. As Serdar said, you are not anything other than parasites. All your thoughts are childish, maybe your age is about 15. thank you for applauding my intelligence. My IQ is already 156 and I am able to reply idiots like you. But you won’t understand anyway; this must be also taken into consideration. An Armenian has nothing to do with the Israil-Arabian conflict. They have neither religious nor geographical relation with this subject. It is better you and Arav search and read more documents in librariesbefore coming here and talking nonsense things. By the way you should follow other journals if you really want to learn democracy.

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    okay,
    to the Turks and Armenians:
    Let's simply end this conversation, let's don't post our issues, let's don't be parasites, let's don't attack each other and let's don't take our quality down.

    or:
    Moderators will lock the thread, write something bad about us, maybe ban us all...

    That's why please end this. It's not right pleace! Please guys. MrRight, seems like you are sane person and understand. Invite me to elsewhere discuss these all sh... and relax. An objective place. I'm ready to talk every facts, Islamofascism in Turkey, Hamas visit, Genocide and so on...
    But it's really not good pleace to discuss. there's even no Israeli or American interested Hamas visit. Everyone knows what happened after visit. Please, i just say please let's just end this Turkey related issues, and topics. I'm here to discuss Israeli, UN, NATO and USA related discussions. But i can't hold myself when i see attacking provocating discussions.

    And i feel dumb with my crappy english If you can, let's discuss in Russian; my origin is Moldovian Gagauz Turk but migrated to Turkey Republic. That's why i'm Christian and speaking very good Russian

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    Quote Originally Posted by isy
    Ban? I don’ t even remember that site. But even if I had registered, it is good because I can see parasites like you at least. You are still children Arav and Mr Right. We are still more educated and superior than you. You belong to the people who live under the shell of Russia and write and speak in Russian. If I were you, I would have inferiority comlex. I say these again, you can not write in this forum unless you are independent in your country. As Serdar said, you are not anything other than parasites. All your thoughts are childish, maybe your age is about 15. thank you for applauding my intelligence. My IQ is already 156 and I am able to reply idiots like you. But you won’t understand anyway; this must be also taken into consideration. An Armenian has nothing to do with the Israil-Arabian conflict. They have neither religious nor geographical relation with this subject. It is better you and Arav search and read more documents in librariesbefore coming here and talking nonsense things. By the way you should follow other journals if you really want to learn democracy.
    Jailing journalist and writers for speaking their mind is democracy?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4688992.stm

    Having a penal code (301), which jails people for insulting Turkey's "turkishness" is demcracy? Turkey is far from being anything close to democracy.

    I have nothing to do with the Israeli-Arab conflict, but that article does, that is the reason I posted it.
    And your superiority complex speaks for itself, thats how your acestors thought when they were killing Armenians, it is sad to see the same mentality continue, even after 90 years.
    We speak Russian, because we were under the Soviet Union for over 80 years and I thought your IQ is 156

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    Smile still idioit....

    MrRight you are such idiot that you are not able to understand what I say. I want to tell that if you were like Turkey or Israel, you would not live under the reign of Russia. You yourself said that you lived under the reign of Russia for 80 years That means you like living under the reign of other states. Turkey and Israel at least fighted their own war. They didn’t take shelter of Russia and they don’t have inferiority complex in this forum like you and they still fight for their own freedom. At least we have our own alphabet and language. And as I said above, the dialog between you exactly came into being.

    MrRight: don’t worry. I ‘ll write about the subjects that suit us. Nothing escapes me. After we write this writing, we ‘ll lick ash of the Jewish better and we’ll get closer.
    AraV: Guy, you’re supeerrrrrr. But lets wait a Turk to write somehing; after that we change this topic into Armenian Genocide. ))

    Because you are nothing and won’t be able to be anything. As Turks, we say that I will write for the last time. If you still insist on genocide, look at the news again in the forthcoming days. Armenian Conference will be held in Istanbul University. Turkish community is not prejudiced like you; at least we search what is happening. 4 Armenian professors rejected to come to the conference, and we respected their answer. There will be also professors from USA and Europe. If you want to prove something, come to real platforms to discuss. Here is Israeli platform and we couldn’t teach you what provocation is yet. Why I say education? Because you know nothing, you always say Armenian genocide illiterately but you don’t read and search anything. But we search and this is the difference between what you do and what we do. And I can explain the link you gave ; nationalist people and protestors will always exist as they exist in every Country. We have never heard that Armenia accepted having killed Anatolian Turks. If we want, we could talk about Turkish Genocide also in Armenia. If we do this, nationalists would come out to streets. That means; the same thing happens in ever Country. Not all people may think the same way. First look at your own Country and then judge the juridiction system and democracy of Turkey . I can say that, you are the last who could judge democracy of Turkey. Dont forget it.
    Finally I will say you something; only if you can get it; “1 million matches are produced from 1 tree, 1 million trees are burnt with 1 match”. capish ?

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