I don't mean leave him alone I mean make him weak and useless. To the Arab world and to Arafat himself, irrelevance is a greater punishement than death.
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I don't mean leave him alone I mean make him weak and useless. To the Arab world and to Arafat himself, irrelevance is a greater punishement than death.
Originally posted by Mediocrates
Well that's what Machiavelli would say - kill the tyrant but not before you make arrangements with the new tyrant. But sadly half the world doesn't see him as tyrant which is why it would be politically difficult to do. Not that its not right, merely that it would make some things more difficult to do. Better to let him become impotent.
I guess i'm being too simplistic in my approach to the problem. I just get so upset when i see the results of the Arabs bombs.
Well, Newsguy
It just shows Israel's intent on capturing the West Bank through whatever means neccessary. Nothing more. Palestinians have faced expulsion ever since Israel was established.
Good slogan, but completely false.Originally posted by AmericaNumber1
Well, Newsguy
It just shows Israel's intent on capturing the West Bank through whatever means neccessary. Nothing more. Palestinians have faced expulsion ever since Israel was established.
Israel already had full control over the West Bank for decades and generously gave the Palestinian controo over most of it following Oslo.
Now, Israel is required to re-enter the West Bank on self-defense against the Jihad-genocide conducted against Israel by the Arabs.
FULL control? As in, beyond UN resolutions for Palestinian Sovereignity? Israel makes a tradition of inciting Palestinian militants to justify incursions for land expansion initiatives. That is no secret, nor a "slogan".Originally posted by NewsGuy
Good slogan, but completely false.
Israel already had full control over the West Bank for decades and generously gave the Palestinian controo over most of it following Oslo.
Now, Israel is required to re-enter the West Bank on self-defense against the Jihad-genocide conducted against Israel by the Arabs.
"Jihad" is specific to Islam. Can you say for certain that EVERY crime commited against Israeli's was an Islamic induced event? I bet you will. I'm not defending Islam, just shedding light on your need to use propaganda to force a point-of-view on others (all Arabs are bad!...right?).
Israel needs to accept the fact that they cannot put their finger on land and cry antisemitism then expect to get what they want in return. You don't setup camp in your neighbors yard and expect to be welcomed with open arms. Does the Talmud teach otherwise? Every American is sick and tired of dealing with the tidal wave created by Israel's false sense of superiority and wars with all their neighbors. Is it too much to question Palestinians need to attack Israel? Shoot. Science gives the Flu Virus more consideration than Israel gives the Palestinians. Palestinians are upset about something. Saying simply, "they're just animals that deserve to be pushed into the sea", is preteen-obnoxious and indicates a racist mindset. Palestinian anger begs the question: "whats wrong?"
Originally posted by AmericaNumber1
Every American is sick and tired of dealing with the tidal wave created by Israel's false sense of superiority and wars with all their neighbors.
Could you please give me the name's of every American that are sick and tired....?
I guess when someone in America goes and breaks into someone's house and kills the mother and 3 children of the family we should realize that that person's anger begs the question:"what's wrong?"Palestinian anger begs the question: "whats wrong?"
That actually happened a few weeks ago. I am not sure if the murderer was caught, but based on this logic, it's not really that important. What's important is that we ask ourselves the question: what made this murderer so angry at that woman and 3 kids. After all, being sane people we assume that there is a rational reason for this terrible massacre. That cold blooded murderer must have been justifiably mad at 'something' and slaughtering this woman and her 3 little kids in their home just made him feel much better... perhaps made him less angry... well, now we are all much safer with that kind of society and human reasoning, now we can all sleep better, and that woman and 3 kids were necessary sacrifices to the wrath of this very angry and very unhappy inhumane individual...or is that cold blooded murderer still considered humane in your opinion?
If every American is sick of it, why is "most of the public and the government" (Senators and Govenors) pro-Israeli? If Israel is the real problem (which it MUST be because Israel keeps getting attacked and has to defend it self. But oh Israel is wrong.) why is most of American supportive of Israel? So I don't see how "every American is sick" of it because MOST Americans support Israel.Originally posted by AmericaNumber1
Every American is sick and tired of dealing with the tidal wave created by Israel's false sense of superiority and wars with all their neighbors.
Every American is sick and tired of dealing with the tidal wave created by Israel's false sense of superiority and wars with all their neighbors.
Then call up your news channel and demand they replace their 10 minutes a day coverage with 24-7 wall to wall Chandra Levy, kidnapped 14 year old sportsertainment movie news. And shows about hats and cooking and pet psychics.
Originally posted by Batman
I guess when someone in America goes and breaks into someone's house and kills the mother and 3 children of the family we should realize that that person's anger begs the question:"what's wrong?"
That actually happened a few weeks ago. I am not sure if the murderer was caught, but based on this logic, it's not really that important. What's important is that we ask ourselves the question: what made this murderer so angry at that woman and 3 kids. After all, being sane people we assume that there is a rational reason for this terrible massacre. That cold blooded murderer must have been justifiably mad at 'something' and slaughtering this woman and her 3 little kids in their home just made him feel much better... perhaps made him less angry... well, now we are all much safer with that kind of society and human reasoning, now we can all sleep better, and that woman and 3 kids were necessary sacrifices to the wrath of this very angry and very unhappy inhumane individual...or is that cold blooded murderer still considered humane in your opinion?
The motivation for murder, in America anyway, is examined in a court of law. We do have instances where murder is justified, such as self-defense and protection of property.
Israel commits summary executions with no method of trial. My assumption is that Israel has too many enemies to afford trials. Also, your post brings up so many points, how does Israel know (for sure) these people they execute are guilty?
The point is, Israel is ignoring Palestinian bone of contention with grave results for both sides. The cyclical blood-shed is flooding proposals for peace because each side wants to retaliate. Israel arrogantly enforces their powers on a weaker people. There seems to be a 3 to 1 requirement with regards to casualties. 3 dead palestinians for every dead Israeli.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AmericaNumber1
The motivation for murder, in America anyway, is examined in a court of law. We do have instances where murder is justified, such as self-defense and protection of property.
Exactly. The disagreement is whether what Israel is doing is self-defence. You say "NO", Batman and many of us say "yes".
US did not look at individual Taliban supporters' claims in a court of law either. The whole hog was considered in self-defence, - as it should be.
The point is, Israel is ignoring Palestinian bone of contention with grave results for both sides. The cyclical blood-shed is flooding proposals for peace because each side wants to retaliate. Israel arrogantly enforces their powers on a weaker people. There seems to be a 3 to 1 requirement with regards to casualties. 3 dead palestinians for every dead Israeli.
What "bone of contention" might that be? Destruction of Israel?
Quote: AmericaNumber1
"Every American is sick and tired of dealing with the tidal wave created by Israel's false sense of superiority and wars with all their neighbors."
What arrogance to think you can speak for all Americans!
You do not speak for me nor, for that matter, anyone but yourself!
Originally posted by Adversary2Arabs
If every American is sick of it, why is "most of the public and the government" (Senators and Govenors) pro-Israeli? If Israel is the real problem (which it MUST be because Israel keeps getting attacked and has to defend it self. But oh Israel is wrong.) why is most of American supportive of Israel? So I don't see how "every American is sick" of it because MOST Americans support Israel.
The fact that most Senators and Governors are pro-Israeli does not surprise me at all. Israel has some wealthy organizations that contribute to campaign finance.
Alot of American's rely solely on what their television tells them. Right now, their television is telling them, "All arabs are bad. Islam is bad."
MANY Americans are NOT Pro-Israeli. In fact, they are neutral but believe America should not interfere nor give aid to Israel. Does that make them PRO Israeli? It makes them say, "let's get the heck out of the Middle East, look what it's doing to us". Essentially, there is a sense of selfishness there because Israel would not last without American support.
So, I made a fallacy by saying "every". Was that the your only rebuttal based on the other points mentioned in my post? Interesting.
I dont know. Does Israel? My guess is they just do not care.
What "bone of contention" might that be? Destruction of Israel?
Thats true, al Qaeda#1.Originally posted by AmericaNumber1
You don't setup camp in your neighbors yard and expect to be welcomed with open arms.
That's exactly the reason that the Arab squatters (so-called Palestinians) who rode in from the Arabian desert 600 years ago and decided to steal large portions of the Jewish homeland should not be surprised that the original, rightful owners of the land have returned to claim their Jewish homeland.
With all due respect, you are obviously living on a different planet than the Americans I know. Our president has just finished telling you that the Palestinian terrorist and corrupt leadership must go. President Bush specifically said that Israel needs to have a civilized partner to make peace with, which is currently not the case.Every American is sick and tired of dealing with the tidal wave created by Israel's false sense of superiority and wars with all their neighbors.
So, what you need to understand is that, contrary to the anti-American lies spread in your mosques, the position of the United States is that the Palestinians are the obstacle to peace.
And, America is not only sick and tired of being conned by the murderous Palestinians, but just as importantly, America is sick and tired of the Arab and Islamic terrorism that is targeted towards the American people.
Tell me something, will your Arab brothers mass murder Americans this 4th of July? Will your Arab brothers destroy our national landmarks and try to destroy our American economy like they did on 9/11?
If you want to discuss what the people of America are sick of, you can start by looking at Osama bin Ladin and Arafat bin Ladin to begin with, then move on to Iran and Syria as further examples of Arab and Islamic threats to the U.S.
Those words are exactly the words used by the Arab mass murderers in their Jihad-genocide plan against Israel. Arab butchers like Gammal Nasser, Saddam Hussein, Hafez Assad and Arafat have all used that exact expression about their plans to commit crimes against humanity."they're just animals that deserve to be pushed into the sea", is preteen-obnoxious and indicates a racist mindset.
No, it begs the question of why has Israel and the world been duped for decades by the Arabs, instead of the world joining in a coalition of justice to fight the worldwide Arab and Islamic threat to Western civilization and to the U.S. in particular.Palestinian anger begs the question: "whats wrong?"
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