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    rhodescholar
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    /spain Had Better Negotiate With The ETA Terrorists

    As reported from "Get Your News Here First", a respected syndicated newsweekly, Spain is facing increased World Pressure due to the latest terrorist bombings by the ETA, as can be read here:

    http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe...ast/index.html

    Spain was warned today by Israeli officials, who along with other Middle Eastern nations at a joint news conference, indicated that it is up to Spain to take "the necessary steps" to further the peace process with the ETA terrorists. A statement was made by Shlomo Irving von Hirschenboin, the Israeli Foreign Minister who is also the Senior Vice Presidnet in Charge of Human Rights at the UN yesterday morning at a joint press conference. "Investigation is not an option, and neither is a strong response, as that will only upset the suffering Basques even more," Hirschenboin added.

    "It would appear that the occupation of Basque territory by Spain, unlawfully occupying, oppressing and humiliating the Basques, has caused this suffering - forcing them to conduct these bombings as a way to vent their frustrations, Hirschenboin was joined by Afatz Man Iam, the current leader of the well-respected Middle East Forum for Democratic Affairs.

    "Only through the ending of this humiliation, can hope be given to the suffering Basques whose homes were stolen by Franco and others, trying to build a Greater Spain and eventually conquer all of Europe," Iam claimed at the same press conference.

    Basque representatives who appeared at the press conference nodded in assent, stating the "Nazi tactics" by the Spanish in trying to stop the bombings only worsens the situation, inflaming the ETA freedom fighters more, leading to more attacks.

    As one can see from these statements. it is clear that Spain needs to take a fresh look at how it is dealing with the Basques, and should try to, as the former US President Clinton would, "feel their pain." They have grievences which the Spanish don't seem willing to take into account, and their attemtps to occupy the lands of these people cannot be accepted by civilized nations of the world. A long-time noted Human Rights activist, Yasser Arafat, from the People's Democratic Republic of Palestine, travelled recently to the occupied Basque territories and spoke with some of the victims there of the Spanish aggressive attacks in trying to "humiliate the cilvilians," as he put it. He was amazed at the fortitude of the Basques in their resistance of the Spanish aggression, who routinely send in soldiers to steal food from the Basque supermarkets, even taking Basque delicacies like Crispy Corn Flakes and Honey Dijon Salad Dressing. Arafat described to me a near riot which ensued when a Spanish Battalian commander tried to grab the last of the aforementioned salad dressing bottles, and was promptly assaulted by local Basques decrying "first you take our land, and now you take our salad dressings?"

    Recent attempts by Spanish authorities to negotiate were met by further Basque terror attacks. The writer of this article, along with many diplomats from the region, express utter amazement that after 5 attacks in one week, the Spanish wont make further concessions. What are they waiting for? How much more can they inflame the Basques? Surely the Spanish can see that by negotiating more, agreeing to more demands of the Basques, is only worsening the situation more for Spain.

    All those at the press conference were in agreement that the Spanish simply cannot be trusted to negotiate in good faith with the Basques, as they refuse to make any further concessions. What is needed is a multi-national force led by such liberal, human rights stalwarts such as Saudi Arabia, whose very soldiers sent as a peace-keeping force could also train the Spanish how to humanely deal with the Basque population, a people the Spanish have consistenly maligned as "dangerous" but are really just misunderstood .

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    Hell no, Spain shouldn't give up Basque. You know why? Because the Basque people don't want it, they want to remain a part of Spain. There are some terrorists (no freedom fighters) who want to use the Basque-situation to destablilize the Spanish gov't and that's it. Germany, Italy and Belgium also had similar problems in the 1980's. This has nothing to do with a fight for independence, as they don't have the people behind them, unlike Palestinian terrorists. Anyway, Spain is not using NAZI-methods to fight terror, they don't use tanks to destroy whole villages, there aren't weirdo's thinking of executing family members ...

    These terror attacks were also a direct attack on the EU, rather than on Spain. The EU-summit which was held in Sevilla was dominated by these attacks. The terrorists probably wanted to embaresse Spain in front of the other EU-members.


    Please d not compare the ME and the Basque situation; IN Basque there aren't people dying on the streets daily, and AFAIK life goes on in Spain. France also has its 'freedom fighters' in Corse.

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    In Spain there are no people dying in the streets because the ETA has the decency to call in the attacks to evacuate the premises.

    I don't know if the situation is different or the same - I don't have adequate knowledge of all the facts - but it is patently obvious that the ETA is a few steps above Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and PLO in the morals department, even if they do fit the definition of terrorism to a "t" (no pun intended).

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    Morpheus
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    Maybe the ETA-terrorists are more human in their actions, but their goals are not. Hamas etc are fighting against an occupier which is killing people daily, it doesn't matter who started, Palestinians are dying thanks to the Israeli gov't. In Spain, this is not the case, the Basques have the same standards of living as the other Spaniards, they have the same rights, same religion. There are some differences, but these can only be solved through political discussion. Most Basques also hate the ETA, and these Basques also include the political party which originates from ETA.

    So, ETA does not have lots of support among the people.

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    elke
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    That's fine for ETA, but make no mistake: Palestinians are dying thanks to THEIR OWN proto-government, not that of Israel. Until they - and you - understand that simple statement, nothing will be accomplished.

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    Then I wish you dear Morpheus a long and happy life dodging shrapnel. Hold tight your self righteous hypocricy to you chest. It may deflect a bullet. You are right and we are wrong. Whisper that to yourself late at night over the sounds of explosions.

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    Spain is a racist state

    The Basque people, let us recall, live under the constant threat of Spanish racism, the most racist political movement in modern times. The Basque freedom fighters call for a state for all its citzens rather than the apartheid-like Castillan fascist entity!!!!!!!!!!! The Basques are the only people in the whole world who live under occupation and it is the Spanish-controlled international media that props up this most cruel and racist regime. Let us recall the words of the jurist Erich von Assenine : "Until the Basques are free, we are all oppressed"

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    Are you people asleep at the wheel?

    Spanish soldiers stealing corn flakes and salad dressing? "Irving von Hirscheinboin"?
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    A- Fatz Man I-am"? "Saudi Arabia as a human rights stalwart"?

    Cmon people, if you didnt figure out my thread opener was a satire, you need better reading glasses. And Morpheus, please get off of the pathetic left-wing soapbox, its getting REALLY tired.

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    Re: Are you people asleep at the wheel?

    Originally posted by rhodescholar
    Spanish soldiers stealing corn flakes and salad dressing? "Irving von Hirscheinboin"?
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    A- Fatz Man I-am"? "Saudi Arabia as a human rights stalwart"?

    Cmon people, if you didnt figure out my thread opener was a satire, you need better reading glasses. And Morpheus, please get off of the pathetic left-wing soapbox, its getting REALLY tired.
    You know, the funniest thing is that I did suspect something, but not because of the salad dressing bit (I already wear glasses, or contacts, so unfortunately, that won't help! ) It was because... the Israeli was in charge of the UN Human Rights Commission! THAT was the giveaway!

    Sad but true!

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    To be fair there have been 5 bombings in Spain in the last 2 days. Apparently they've all be symbolic or screw ups because no one was hurt. Eventually though since terrorism has now become a legitimate expression of yearning for anyone with an axe to grind, we can expect to see an upswing in deaths, injuries, destruction and mayhem. I wait anxiously for it to 'suddenly' become a problem to the country that now hosts the EU Presidency; Spain.

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    Vic
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    There is a rather amusing correlation between bad human rights records, especially with regard to non-nationals and minorities, and Israel-bashing in Western Europe. The worst offenders of the past years are:

    - Greece:
    http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/countr...t=30&Expandall
    http://www.hrw.org/europe/greece.php

    - Portugal:
    http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/countr...t=30&Expandall

    - and Spain:
    http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/countr...t=30&Expandall
    http://www.hrw.org/europe/spain.php

    Take a look at the reports, some of them are pretty blood-curling.

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    Offenders never forget.

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Morpheus
    [B]Maybe the ETA-terrorists are more human in their actions, but their goals are not. Hamas etc are fighting against an occupier which is killing people daily, it doesn't matter who started, Palestinians are dying thanks to the Israeli gov't.

    Palestinians are dying because of their actions. Israel is being too soft and shouldn't listen to those countries that promote peace at
    any cost. Expell all Arabs, Palestinians & those people promoting
    insurrection.

    Hamas receives about $10,000,000.00 every year from Saudi Arabia. Colin Powell said almost $150,000,000,00. raised by Saudi telethon will wind up in Hamas account.

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