From news article:
From news article:
H'mmmm, this makes a change, usually it's our brainier cousins who get all the accolades for brainpowerOriginally Posted by ygalg1
How about this
Brains & Brawn lol
We are not your cousins. Sorry!Originally Posted by Muslima
I am not denying Muslims contribution as chess-- very popular through world wide by intellectuals. the coffee...etc.Originally Posted by Muslima
but notice; those poeple were not led by nassralla and bin laden, this newbie iran president, saddam and ilks.
those who brought these wonderfull inventions, showed dawa by examples! this what we jews also learned that this is how to show the light of our path by our deeds and contrbutions. not by selling advertisments as "mine better and correct"...etc
Chess and about 90% of the other so called "muslim inventions" in this article are not muslim inventions at all. Chess for example is a pre-islamic Persian invention. Muslims had nothing to do with it. Even the stories of 1001 nights are probably Babylonian stories and not Arab at all.Originally Posted by ygalg1
Originally Posted by Ariksan
Arab conribution to civilisation is indisputable Ariksan (see links below)
It goes without saying that a scientist./inventor/pioneer, usually expands on an idea of his predecessor. If for this reason, you want to believe that Arab's "stole" knowledge from their predecessor's then it stands to reason you will also believe that Nobel Prize winners "stole" the knowledge of their forbears and expanded on it. Are you going to say this about Einstein and other great names?
The Nobel Prize Laurautes have only been in existence since what 1900's? Jews in Europe , even though their numbers were small, have a higher percentage of the prizes. To use your logic, it would be perfectly in order to say that Jews"stole" the knowledge of their host countries and claimed it as their own? So, a question, :-
Would you say that 90% of the Jewish nobel laureates "took" the knowledge of their host societies?
Anyway, below are references that highlight Islam's indisputable
contribution to civilization. The first 4 links are from respectable NON MUSLIM sources, so you can't say they are biased. How would you refute them?
On what do you base your opinon that 90% are not Muslim inventions?
How Islam has kept us out of the 'Dark Ages'
Timeline of Islamic science and technology
List of Muslim scientists and philosophers
Empires - Islam: Empire of Faith
Starring: Ben Kingsley Director: Robert A. Gardner
Legacy of Islam
- Muslim Personalities
Glimpses of Renowned Scientists and Thinkers of Muslim Era
Muslim contribution to science, art, technology, medicine and civilization
Muslim Scientists and Scholars
On this site you can read fascinating accounts of some of the most talented
Muslim scholars in history whose contributions have left lasting marks in
the annals of science, astronomy, medicine, surgery, engineering and
Empires - Islam: Empire of Faith
Starring: Ben Kingsley Director: Robert A. Gardner
Yes, your'e right Ygalg, and remember, Bin Laden is not a "leader", he is hiding somewhere. Nasrallah is a political product, and their job's are not realy to lead intellectually.Originally Posted by ygalg1
Ironically the Quran does emphasise how important an education and knowledge is.
About chess, did you know half the world's best chess players are Jewish?
By the way, what is your opinion of faithfreedom.net, since you advocate it on your profile, do you find it useful or helpful? you do know that Ali Sina is not an Islamic scholar?
You are absolutely right, Ariksan. But dont be surprised. Lyin comes naturally with the qoran.Originally Posted by Ariksan
Chess for eg probably originated in China/India to Persia and then spread westward. Various arcane and more difficult forms of chess are still played in China.
Many countries claim to have invented the chess game in some incipient form. The most commonly held belief is that chess originated in India. The earliest mention of chess appears in the Indian classic, the Mahabharata, written circa 2,000 BC, where it was called Chaturanga. As a matter of fact, the Arabic, Persian, Greek and Spanish words for chess, are all derived from the Sanskrit Chaturanga. The present version of chess played throughout the world is ultimately based on a version of Chaturanga that was played in India around the 6th century AD. It is also believed that the Persians created a more modern version of the game after the Indians. The oldest known chess pieces have been found in excavations of ancient Persian territories. One ancient text refers to Shah Ardashir, who ruled 224 - 241 AD, as a master of the game.
Another theory exists that chess arose from the similar game of Chinese chess, or at least a predecessor, thereof, existing in China since the 2nd century B.C. Joseph Needham and David H. Li are two of many scholars who have favored this theory.
On another subject
Similarly, the hindu civilization and its mathematicians had already used complex math and algebra, computing distances between the earth and the moon a long time before Pythagoras. The hindu civilization is credited with inventing zero. The hindu numberals/numbers were taken (stolen is more appropriate) westward and it is a gross injustice to call the current numerals as arabic. There is no arabic origin there.
Toga, you can also call them brethren. A blink in the eye makes wonders, if you can accept it!Originally Posted by Toga
is sheik pre-islamic terminology? cause chess (checkmate) means sheik dead.Originally Posted by Ariksan
perhaps you correct on other inventions...
In that case ShimonG, can you comment on post 6 to Ariksan,Originally Posted by ShimonG
And since you subscribe to this belief, then you will aslo agree that Jewish nobel laureates "took" the knowledge of their host societies in Europe and thus "stole" it?
If not, then i want to know why you hold double standards.
bin laden admired by majority of Muslims and many sees him an example of what is the right Muslim. Nasrallah is no doubt concerns more on his political position than on the shiite mosque blown in iraq. there is impression he does what syrians demand.Originally Posted by Muslima
well onit seems we are more muslims than muslims themselves as it seems we play better islamic games. suficient to say, to be a jew its sufficient!the world's best chess players are Jewish
faithfreedom.org its irrelavant to this thread.
I have not yet saw you making any intruduction there, perhaps you should? after all, you want to find out about how much lettered ali on islam and so on.
They are NOT our cousins. When Abraham sired Ismael after his covenant with G-d he was a different person. Abraham before the covenant with G-d was not the same Abraham after the covenant with G-d. 2 different people! And the current behavior of the Arab terrorists who want to murder every Jewish man, woman and child proves that point.Originally Posted by Justcurious
faithfreedom has expert's rebutting on separate websites, so i don't bother. Ali is not at all "lettered"! i know that, in fact he is an ignorant bumpkinOriginally Posted by ygalg1
Anyhow, Bin Laden is/was tremendously admired for his role in getting rid of the Russians from Afghanistan. And that he advocates a Caliphate, which is why he has widespread appeal. However, where he lost support was in the way he chose to carry out his dream. It was wrong, and destined for failure. He is not admired for what he eventually morphed into, except by a disheartened minority, but even those don't support the killing of innocents. An out and out war is one thing, (as against Russian's) but not attacks like the ones he eventually pulled off. By the way his fan base is not just in the Muslim world, he has a huge following in many other countries, which have grudges against the USA, China etc. and they are not Muslim.
Also, it seems that women find him sexy too,
Osama's Fatal Attraction
By Jenny McCartney
The Daily Telegraph
There are fleeting moments when I think that the Taliban might actually have a point when they say that Western women are amoral. One came last week, when all around me other women started proclaiming how much they fancied Osama bin Laden.
I heard: "He's got beautiful, brooding eyes", "He's cool: when Bush was getting all worked up, Osama was just sipping tea in his tent." One woman who was in Washington when the hijacked plane struck the Pentagon, actually said that "he has a sort of animal magnetism: you feel that here's a man who could protect you". Another said: "He certainly wouldn't dither."
Please don't write to tell me that this is in bad taste. I already know that, and so do they, because they often put in caveats such as: "Although I utterly condemn what he has done," and, "Of course, if he was in my flat I'd hand him straight over to the police." But that's the point: inside their heads, Osama is already inside their flat.
It isn't the shy student Osama of the Seventies, in his trendy flares and skinny-rib sweater, to whom they are attracted; it is the turbaned Osama of today, issuing edicts of mass destruction from his impenetrable cave. Part of bin Laden's appeal, I think, is that he doesn't seem quite real. He has never claimed responsibility for the US attacks, or been filmed with Western heads of state. He appears only in his own broadcasts from distant Afghanistan, looking like a quasi-mythological cross between a villain from a James Bond film and a Rudolph Valentino sheikh.
I don't find bin Laden in the least attractive, but even I can see that his soulful appearance has been one of fate's little jokes. Just as a truly gentle man can have the mug of an East End prize-fighter, so bin Laden in repose has the dignified visage of a kindly, peaceable man: the sort from whom one would not hesitate to seek directions after a wrong turning in Kabul. For his bashful female admirers in the West, however, his allure is tangled up in something much deeper and messier than that.
Plenty of women (and men too) are viscerally attracted both to men with good looks, and those with a strong whiff of cordite. A combination of the two creates a powerful, if indefensible, magnetism. Che Guevara would now be remembered chiefly for his enthusiastic use of repression and his disastrous grasp of economics, were it not for that famous black-and-white photograph of him in a black beret, staring moodily out from his chiselled face.
Bin Laden is not Che Guevara, but he still looks pretty sharp on a T-shirt. In fact, he looks a bit like Che in reverse: Guevara had a black beret, a mesmeric stare and a pale face, and bin Laden has a white turban, a mesmeric stare and a dark face. Quite apart from how bin Laden looks, however, is the mere fact of what he is: a man with sufficient power to cause enormous destruction, and continuing consternation, in the West.
There is a craven streak in the female psyche, the unspeakable bit that Sylvia Plath meant when she wrote that "every woman adores a Fascist / the boot in the face, the brute / Brute heart of a brute like you". The brute doesn't even need to be handsome: look at how Hitler, a strutting, greasy-haired creature, set silly Unity Mitford all a-quiver: "Yesterday we had lunch with the Fuhrer," she wrote home in 1936, "it was wonderful and he was simply heavenly."
The armchair biologists will no doubt tell us that it is rooted in some atavistic female need to ally ourselves with the fiercest and nastiest warrior in the tribe. But the admiration for bin Laden is also tangled up, I think, in Stockholm syndrome: the curious phenomenon whereby people who are taken hostage end up identifying with their kidnappers.
Bin Laden and his al-Qaeda network have spread an amorphous cloud of apprehension over the West. It hangs over the Western women who fancy bin Laden as much as everyone else: for who knows what form a terrorist attack could take, or where it might land? In their fantasies, however, Osama is not their persecutor, but their protector: they are the one person he will not allow to be hurt.
Yeats once wrote that "in dreams begin responsibilities", and I think I agree. If you allow yourself to fancy bin Laden, you've got to take on board his penchant for mass murder. No, no, say the others, that's precisely the wrong point. Fantasies are where one loses all responsibility. That is why, as one nags one's husband into doing the washing up, one can freely fantasise about a gun-toting gangster who would rather die than put his hand into a Marigold.
I don't much go for terrorists or dictators: their chosen cologne of other people's misery is too strong, and the closer that misery comes to home the fouler it smells. And the truth is that such men are usually too obsessed with their cause to have any time for women either. Move on, Osamaniacs. It isn't you he's interested in.
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