Is the Government Zionist At All?

[sharonbn]

No. But the ultra-left should be shot. It is a cancer that has grown within the body of the Jewish nation. I fully support court marshalling and eliminating scum like the members of Meretz, Gush Shoa-lom, Peres, Women in Black, and the Mashom Watch.

Considering Meretz got the vote of some 150,000 Israelis, and the Arab parties got some 500,000 votes, that's an awful lot of people to kill. There are lots of logistic problems: the killing process will no doubt take some time.
Perhaps we can learn from past experience of mass eliminations and set up concentration camps with gas chambers? that is no doubt a very efficient way to mass eliminate people.

Yes, I want only the Jews to be able to vote in the Jewish State. Given the political pressures of the time, it would be important to frame the law that would define voting eligibility in way that will not say it just like that. So an elegant way of ensuring that only Jews and very few others (e.g. Russians, Ukrainians, Druze, and other loyal non-Jewish minorities) are able to vote.

Thinly disguised racism will not fool people for a long time. It will also probably not pass supreme court test.
then again... we can also eliminate all supreme court judges.
Hey! you're maybe on to something here ....

[CoinToss]

I don't know what is the "last source". I am told that majority of Jews live outside of Israel. it means more than five millions. Perhaps we can make an effort to bring these Jews to their national homeland? Giving up is something we can always do later.

I am not saying we should stop alyah. I am saying one should try some extra ways because alyah is not an everlasting solution.

Well... the Jews have their country to depend on, don't they?
So does this mean that France has no obligation to the French Jews?

There is 1% of Jews in France.
If there was 1% arab in Israel I wouldn't give a damn.
There is 20%. And most of them does not feel israeli at all.

All divorces end with a settlement that is either agreed by both sides or by court ruling.
The husbend never kicks the wife out of the house (at least not in civilized societies)
Don't deny what is obvious, plz.

Ok, it seems you don't try to understand AS USUAL. I am saying that a husband and a wife live separatly after divorce. Always ! Am I wrong ?

[CoinToss]

France indeed has no obligations to the French Jews.

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[CoinToss]

Converts are not real Jews, and should not be welcomed here. And why in the world would a convert want to come to Israel? A Jew would consider Aliah (return to homeland) because our direct an cestry is from here. A convert's ancestry is not from here. Why would Israel even matter to a convert?

It seems you prefer a "jewish" Mordehai Vanunu than a proud "non-jewish" convert.
Free to you, you can ever have sex with Mordehai, I don't give a sheet.

[KettleWhistle]

Considering Meretz got the vote of some 150,000 Israelis, and the Arab parties got some 500,000 votes, that's an awful lot of people to kill. There are lots of logistic problems: the killing process will no doubt take some time.

I couldn't care less about the Arab parties. Not my people, not my problem. On the other hand, the Jews who support those traitors ought to be disenfranchised. If I saw Yossi Beilin somewhere on the street, I would do my best to knock his teeth out. Ditto Peres. Ditto Dana Olmert. Ditto Noam Chomsky. If their kids would go to school with my kids, their brood would be coming home beaten up with a bloody nose every day. Lesson: if you support treason, you can't have a normal life. And these people should not have a normal life when they work to undermine their own nation and country. Scum like that needs to be dealt with desisively and violently. When you have a cancer, you cut it out, and these "people" are nothing short of a cancer.

Thinly disguised racism will not fool people for a long time.

It is not racism.

[KettleWhistle]

It seems you prefer a "jewish" Mordehai Vanunu than a proud "non-jewish" convert.

No. I prefer to have neither. If I all of the sudden would want to become Italian, and will find some kook to convert me to "Italianism," I'll be as much an Italian as converts to Judaism are Jews. These people have thier own ethnic tradition, and their traditional religions. They should stick to their own, and lay off ours.

[sharonbn]

I am not saying we should stop alyah. I am saying one should try some extra ways because alyah is not an everlasting solution.

extra ways are fine as long as they are legal and don't violate civil rights of citizens.

There is 1% of Jews in France.
If there was 1% arab in Israel I wouldn't give a damn.
There is 20%. And most of them does not feel israeli at all.

So state obligation depends on the size of the minority ???
anyway, perhaps the picture is not so bleek?

Ok, it seems you don't try to understand AS USUAL. I am saying that a husband and a wife live separatly after divorce. Always ! Am I wrong ?

No, you are right. happy?
Now go read my last response and tell me if i'm wrong.

[sharonbn]

f I saw Yossi Beilin somewhere on the street, I would do my best to knock his teeth out. Ditto Peres. Ditto Dana Olmert. Ditto Noam Chomsky. If their kids would go to school with my kids, their brood would be coming home beaten up with a bloody nose every day.

and you would get thrown into jail.
hey! this story has a happy ending after all

maybe you could share a cell with your role model, Yigal Amir.

[KettleWhistle]

and you would get thrown into jail.

Don't worry, they wouldn't know what hit them, nor would I do that were police would be able to find me. There is no need to be stupid when doing the right thing. Nor do I think anyone would get more than a night in a slammer with clean record afterwards for taking a swipe at one of these swine.

[CoinToss]

-A convert is more than a single jew since he make the choice to enter the most persecuted people with his descent. He makes the choice to reject his false gods and to respect our rules. Not everyone is able of such an exploit and they deserve our respect.

-Non-Jews should be prevented from voting to national elections, but should be allowed to vote for local elections. Israel is a jewish country not a multicultural/multiethnic country. If a goy want to vote nationally, he can convert or go to a multicultural country such as the USA or Brazil.

Either NC and NMC are legitimate but they should not work exactly the same way.

[sharonbn]

Don't worry, they wouldn't know what hit them, nor would I do that were police would be able to find me. There is no need to be stupid when doing the right thing. Nor do I think anyone would get more than a night in a slammer with clean record afterwards for taking a swipe at one of these swine.

I'm not worried. judging from your saying, you're stupid enough.

[KettleWhistle]

-A convert is more than a single jew since he make the choice to enter the most persecuted people with his descent. He makes the choice to reject his false gods and to respect our rules.

I couldn't care less if majority of Israeli Jews converts to another religion, whatever it may be. Idol-worshipping paganism is just fine with me. As long as Israel is ethnically Jewish, it will remain Jewish.

[CoinToss]

I couldn't care less if majority of Israeli Jews converts to another religion, whatever it may be. Idol-worshipping paganism is just fine with me. As long as Israel is ethnically Jewish, it will remain Jewish.

By "ethnically Jewish", you mean rather black like an ethiopian, blond like a russian or tanned like a sfardi ? Maybe yellow like the long-lost Kaifeng Jews ?

Abraham was mesopotamian, Laban was aramaic, the Hebrew are a mix of those and egyptians. The Khazars are slavic, most of the north-african jews are out of berber tribes. What is this story of ethnicity ?

If Jews are so brilliant, it's not mainly because of their genetic or ethnic background. Jews are brilliant because of their particuliar morality, their exceptional relation to the written and a very specific relation to G-od.

All those old genetic theories are a crookery, out of Darwin's research. Darwin, an old guy of the 19th century, almost the pre-History in matter of science.

You want more ? In no more than 50 or 100 years from now, the human being will be able to change his DNA in live. Will be able to conceive its children "àla carte" in a fishbowl. What's the point of borring people with those useless genetic aspects ?

What's important is to keep the jewish mind alive, to be unique, to be brilliant,to maintain our covenant with G-od, to be a lighthouse for humanity, nothing else.

[Ricky]

In an earlier thread, Newsguy remarked that soon the Arab population of Israel will grow so large that the Arabs will make up the majority of the Israeli population. This is a gross exaggeration and no demography expert claims this. Nonetheless, Newsguy has put his finger on a problem that does exist, namely that because of large Arab families, the Jewish majority in Israel is becoming smaller.
Fortunately there is a simple, humane solution to this problem entirely compatible with democratic principles. It is a well known sociological phenomenon that poor couples tend to have large families while affluent couples tend to have smaller families. Doubtless, a significant reason for the large families of many Arab couples is because they are poor. Israel should work to increase the standard of living of Arab families so that on average their standard of living will be equal to that of the Jewish Israeli population. This will ensure that the present 80% Jewish majority in Israel will continue indefinitely

[CoinToss]

It is a well known sociological phenomenon that poor couples tend to have large families while affluent couples tend to have smaller families. Doubtless, a significant reason for the large families of many Arab couples is because they are poor.

Nationalist and faithful families are known to have a lot of children whatever their social situation.

Israel should work to increase the standard of living of Arab families so that on average their standard of living will be equal to that of the Jewish Israeli population.

As told previously, this is not guaranteed.