Is the Government Zionist At All?

[CoinToss]

There is one way to stop NewsGuy's doomsday scenario: Diaspora Jews should make Aliayh to Israel. This is what kept Jewish majrity at 80% in the last 50 years, and still more Jews live outside their national homeland, then inside it.

If you care about the Jews in Israel - come and live with us.

Alyah will never be enough since it's simply additive when the arab growth is exponential. So we should use substractive means to limitate it. Firstly removing their nationality and giving them a semi-permanent licence to live in Israel. It seems an obligatory step to reach a global agreement with our arab neighbours.

[sharonbn]

Alyah will never be enough since it's simply additive when the arab growth is exponential.

Not True.
in all of Israel's existence, the ratio between Jewish and Israeli Arab population has benn stable on 80-20. This was largely due to Jewish immigration.

[CoinToss]

Not True.
in all of Israel's existence, the ratio between Jewish and Israeli Arab population has benn stable on 80-20. This was largely due to Jewish immigration.

The diaspora size is not infinite.
While the arab growth is not certain to reach a limit.

Now that they are going to have a country, they should progressively leave Israel. What would you think about a wife still living in her husband's flat after a violent divorce ? You think she should have her own life in her own flat. The same apply here.

[sharonbn]

The diaspora size is not infinite.
While the arab growth is not certain to reach a limit.

Well, it seems to me we are far from exhausting the channel of Aliyah. Perhaps we can manage another 58 years before we give up on diaspora Jews?

Now that they are going to have a country, they should progressively leave Israel.

I hope they do. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. It should be up to them to decide where they want to live.

What would you think about a wife still living in her husband's flat after a violent divorce ? You think she should have her own life in her own flat. The same apply here.

The analogy is incorrect since most couples have joint ownership of their house, in which case, the husband cannot just kick the wife out. Perhaps he should leave? in any case, whoever leaves does so out of free will, not coercion.

[CoinToss]

Well, it seems to me we are far from exhausting the channel of Aliyah. Perhaps we can manage another 58 years before we give up on diaspora Jews?

Not sure.
What are the last source of potential aliah ? USA, France, UK ?
There is a lot of assimilation and most of them are not willing to live there?

I hope they do. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. It should be up to them to decide where they want to live.

We have no obligation to leave them the israeli nationality since they have a new country to depend on. When they know they are not israeli, they understand they should move one day or another.

The analogy is incorrect since most couples have joint ownership of their house, in which case, the husband cannot just kick the wife out. Perhaps he should leave? in any case, whoever leaves does so out of free will, not coercion.

Well, you never attended a divorce ?
Properties are splitted(whatever the way) and the divorced people never again live together.
Don't deny what is obvious, plz.

[sharonbn]

Not sure.
What are the last source of potential aliah ? USA, France, UK ?
There is a lot of assimilation and most of them are not willing to live there?

I don't know what is the "last source". I am told that majority of Jews live outside of Israel. it means more than five millions. Perhaps we can make an effort to bring these Jews to their national homeland? Giving up is something we can always do later.

We have no obligation to leave them the israeli nationality since they have a new country to depend on. When they know they are not israeli, they understand they should move one day or another.

Well... the Jews have their country to depend on, don't they?
So does this mean that France has no obligation to the French Jews?

Well, you never attended a divorce ?
Properties are splitted(whatever the way) and the divorced people never again live together.
Don't deny what is obvious, plz.

All divorces end with a settlement that is either agreed by both sides or by court ruling.
The husbend never kicks the wife out of the house (at least not in civilized societies)
Don't deny what is obvious, plz.

[Mediocrates]

All this at the same time Israel is making it much much harder to convert or marry. I think the message is clear - say the hell out, you olim.

[Mediocrates]

So what is it you Sabras want to be? Arabs or Russian?

[KettleWhistle]

So does this mean that France has no obligation to the French Jews?

France indeed has no obligations to the French Jews.

[sharonbn]

All this at the same time Israel is making it much much harder to convert or marry. I think the message is clear - say the hell out, you olim.

I think the problem is not with the state laws or administration. It is with religious authorities.

[KettleWhistle]

All this at the same time Israel is making it much much harder to convert or marry. I think the message is clear - say the hell out, you olim.

Converts are not real Jews, and should not be welcomed here. And why in the world would a convert want to come to Israel? A Jew would consider Aliah (return to homeland) because our direct an cestry is from here. A convert's ancestry is not from here. Why would Israel even matter to a convert?

[Mediocrates]

My point exactly. Screw you too.

[Mediocrates]

I think the problem is not with the state laws or administration. It is with religious authorities.

One and the same in this case.

[sharonbn]

So what is it you Sabras want to be? Arabs or Russian?

I personally don't "want" to be anything. I am already Israeli
I want Israel to be predominantly Jewish. what's so complicated about this?

[sharonbn]

One and the same in this case.

OK, as long we stay on focus we can agree that the bottlenck on aliyah is religious authorities in Israel.