How sad

[Tonto]

That school was 100 miles from where we lived and we had nothing to do with it, so you still don't know your ass from your hat. Why don't you get a hobby.....like pulling wings off of flies or something useful? What does this have to do with Iran dumbass? You digress all over the place to run from the fact that the muzleem are the scum of the earth and YOU CHOSE to be one of the little turds bobbing around in it. No group is more vicoious, savage, backward and violent than the muzleems. Peaceful? My brown ass! That says some very negative things about your character....like perhaps you feel you should be spit on because you are so unworthy as a human being. You have to join up with muzleems because you like to beat on and subjugate little girls? You like to scream invective at Christians because you were never "accepted"? Pitiful. Get some help.....or start taking your meds again. Geez, what a jerk!

[andak01]

I lived at San Carlos and there was no mission school that I ever saw.

Originally Posted by Tonto

That school was 100 miles from where we lived and we had nothing to do with it, so you still don't know your ass from your hat.

So there was a mission in the largest community in San Carlos. Presumably if you never saw it, you never visited there- or you were lying in the first place. At any rate, you attempted to cover up what anyone can research in order to make me look like I don't know what I'm talking about. Yes, of course, Indian children were forced into Christian schools for centuries. They had their religion and culture ripped from them for centuries. Perhaps you are young enough to have missed that, but it happened within my lifetime.

No group is more vicoious, savage, backward and violent than the muzleems. Peaceful? My brown ass! That says some very negative things about your character....like perhaps you feel you should be spit on because you are so unworthy as a human being.

Unlike you, I don't feel anyone deserves to be spit on simply because of their religion. I also don't make a hobby of making other people hated.

You have to join up with muzleems because you like to beat on and subjugate little girls?

I didn't and I don't. People who like to do that don't need or use any scripture for their actions.

San Carlos man sentenced to 30 years in federal prison for molesting 4 young children

http://www.newsday.com/san-carlos-man-gets-30-years-in-molestation-case-1.1397414

Civilization has loosened, in some places broken, the bonds which regulate and hold together Indian society in its wild state, and has failed to give the people law and officers of justice in their place. This evil still continues unabated. Women are brutally beaten and outraged; men are murdered in cold blood; the Indians who are friendly to schools and churches are intimidated and preyed upon by the evil-disposed; children are molested on their way to school, and schools are dispersed by bands of vagabonds; but there is no redress. This accursed condition of things is an outrage upon the One Lawgiver. It is a disgrace to our land. It should make every man who sits in the national halls of legislation blush. And, wish well to the Indians as we may, and do for them what we will, the efforts of civil agents, teachers, and missionaries are like the struggles of drowning men weighted with lead, as long as by the absence of law Indian society is left without a base.

http://www2.csusm.edu/nadp/r877001.htm

People who life in abject poverty, unemployment and surrounded by meth labs, shouldn't cast stones. Then again, since you've had your bows and arrows taken away, that's all you've got left.

You like to scream invective at Christians because you were never "accepted"?

I'm not screaming any invectives. My parents and all of my closest relatives are Christian and I love them dearly and they love me. My wife and my in-laws love them too and they love us. What other fiction do you want to make up?

[Tonto]

I thought this forum was called "Israel Forum". What does San Carlos, Fort Apache, Mescallero, Jicarilla or whatever have to do with this? The digression is to bash Indians? This is a direct insult? Clarify what the heck you're doing andak. I really don't see you doing anything except bait me. So what is it kid? You're obviously bothered and probably off your meds. You also obviously have a hate problem....check yourself in some place before you hurt yourself or others....please. The fact that you seem to want to hurt my feelings, call me names, insult me directly using racist ideas and insult my race, and receive no retribution is unconscionable. For the insults you have offered and I've had to suffer there would, undoubtedly, have dire consequences "on the street" from anyone you said those things to face to face. You have been doing this sort of thing for a long time, you're quite expert....this is how you "get off"....it's like mental masturbation to you. You are an armchair combatant who loves to jab and bait, insult and cry foul when insulted. You are actually an insect. Small, mean and contemptible. You've gotten away with this behavior for YEARS and glory in it. You are really a disgusting, worthless and contemptible waste of a human being. Grow up and try to better yourself....people that read you and understand, think you're a very clever and malicious child....and you are. You say people "love you". That is a blatant lie. If they knew the real you....they'd feel sorry for you, but not love you. You've never shown them the "real" andak.

[andak01]

Originally Posted by Tonto

I thought this forum was called "Israel Forum". What does San Carlos, Fort Apache, Mescallero, Jicarilla or whatever have to do with this? The digression is to bash Indians? This is a direct insult?

I'm sorry, was denegrating your culture and your culture's religion bashing? I was just showing you what a hypocrite you are, that you deny centuries of forced conversion and pretend that isn't a possible trait of Christianity as well as any other triumphal religion. You're so Stockholm syndromed by the whole thing that you sound like a Christian Crusader.

You also obviously have a hate problem....check yourself in some place before you hurt yourself or others....please. The fact that you seem to want to hurt my feelings, call me names, insult me directly using racist ideas and insult my race, and receive no retribution is unconscionable.

Hey, I can adopt any tone you're willing to use with me. Would you care to stop religion bashing?

You are an armchair combatant who loves to jab and bait, insult and cry foul when insulted.

I am averse to combat whether from you or anyone else. Anyone who is willing to take a step away from "Bomb Mecca!" and "Muzzie scum" and "cult of Satan" will find me quite civil and even willing to listen to opinions quite different from my own.

You are really a disgusting, worthless and contemptible waste of a human being.

That sounds rather combattive to me.

You say people "love you". That is a blatant lie. If they knew the real you....they'd feel sorry for you, but not love you. You've never shown them the "real" andak.

Ask me how much I care about your opinion of my family. Since your opinion of my religion is totally misguided and based on propaganda, what else are you wrong about?

[Tonto]

Yawn! You do provide endless tedium

[andak01]

You didn't sound any too bored a moment ago.

[Tonto]

You bore me to death boy. How many muzleems were slaughtered by other muzleems today? Come on, use all that BS skill and show us the latest muzleem body count....and spin it for us.

[andak01]

Originally Posted by Tonto

You bore me to death boy. How many muzleems were slaughtered by other muzleems today? Come on, use all that BS skill and show us the latest muzleem body count....and spin it for us.

Considering that none of the rest of the world places a religion on its body count, your exceptional count of Muslims only is its own spin. What about Muslim terrorists that get killed by Muslims? You going to count them too as part of your body count? Of course! Any violence committed by a Muslim out of context and for whatever reason whatsoever gets counted. And any violence committed by a non-Muslim doesn't, regardless of how heinous it is. So therefore, you are almost oblivious to events in the Congo, the Mexican border, Central America and West Africa that exhibit extreme violence with scores of people killed and sometimes for religious motives. You're looking at the news in a vacuum, as though nobody but Muslims does anything or ever did anything violent.

Again, I point to your own hypocrisy. Could you be content with a writing of history that says that the Apache were the most violent thugs that ever lived and omits the part about what happened to them? Is that fair?

[ThetaRay]

So you are saying that violent Islamists are acting in defense, as were the Apaches?

[Tonto]

The most violent thugs in the world right now are muzleems cause of their "religion of peace" TELLS THEM TO BE MURDEROUS BASTARDS. Apaches fought long and hard for their survival and a homeland....note the number of Apache Reservations and their size. Note also that their total population has grown where others have declined. Are you saying that islame is about establishing a peaceful homeland? I think not. I think you simply spin to see your own words in print and to impress yourself with your erudition and cleverness. You are a pitiful human being. You really should get help.

[andak01]

Originally Posted by Tonto

The most violent thugs in the world right now are muzleems cause of their "religion of peace" TELLS THEM TO BE MURDEROUS BASTARDS.

No it doesn't. Are there Muslims that murder? Of course. But, as evidenced by the 99.9% of us that aren't involved in crimes, there isn't any compulsion to murder.

Apaches fought long and hard for their survival and a homeland....note the number of Apache Reservations and their size. Note also that their total population has grown where others have declined.

That's kind of a failure to aculturate isn't it. I think someone like you needs to go back any show them how to be a redneck so that they can fit in.

Are you saying that islame is about establishing a peaceful homeland? I think not.

No. Islam is as prone to triumphalism as Christianity or as Judaism was when Jews were empowered by their own imperialism during biblical times. No doubt about it, Islam can act imperially. But you yourself are living proof that so can Christianity. Here you are pretending to be an Evangelical Crusader with all the apologetic tools that Christian missionaries have provided you and no perspective on the truth of Christian triumphalism.

Christianity, which infers that it is the religion of peace conquered three continents partly by the sword. Charlemagne beheaded over 4000 people in Verdens for not converting. The Crusaders rode up to the knees of their horses in blood. The Pilgrims stuck an Indian head up at the entrance of their settlement for twenty years. Indians were given a choice of living in Prayer towns, losing their language, religion and dress, or being slaughtered. And today, Christian groups like Christian Identity and the Aryan Nation are involved in terrorist bombings and assasinations in America and others are ravaging the countryside in Africa.

So in fact, Christianity can be every bit as violent as Islam and often is. There are people in that peaceful religion that are calling for the bombing of Mecca and the genocide of over a billion Muslims.

[andak01]

Originally Posted by ThetaRay

So you are saying that violent Islamists are acting in defense, as were the Apaches?

I think they are backed into a corner like the Apaches were. I think they will ultimately lose like the Apaches did. And I think that their options are running out. And I would no more give over this world to the Islamists than I would to the Apaches.

[Tonto]

Arrogant little narcissist aren't you andak? The Christians and Jews don't have a book (with hadiths to back it up) that tells them to go out and kill, cause them to use all non-muzleem as 2nd class citizens, burn down churches, cause little girls to burn to death because allowing them to escape a burning building improperly covered would be a violation of sharia....but the muzleems are the ones that are guiltless, without sin and wonderful, warm human beings in your eyes. Yes, I'll admit that there are probably many MINOs out there that would be slaughtered as apostates if their views get in the way of muzleem zealots....and the fact remains that they are scared silly, in many instances, to step up as a human being rather than a muzleem and speak up against atrocities.
And by the way, I'm a pagan. The Apaches "lost" because of technology....the same thing that will eventually defeat islam. You should hope your muzleems make out as well as the Apache. From what I can see of non-oil rich muzleem countries, a Reservation would be a couple steps up. Most muzleem countries are the worst rat-holes in the world.

[andak01]

Originally Posted by Tonto

Arrogant little narcissist aren't you andak? The Christians and Jews don't have a book (with hadiths to back it up) that tells them to go out and kill, cause them to use all non-muzleem as 2nd class citizens, burn down churches, cause little girls to burn to death because allowing them to escape a burning building improperly covered would be a violation of sharia...

I suggest you read the book of Joshua, or find out what the hero King David paid for his dowery, that hero whose symbol is flown on the flag. Or better yet, read the many condemnations of that fire by Muslims.

but the muzleems are the ones that are guiltless, without sin and wonderful, warm human beings in your eyes.

I never said that and I don't believe it. Muslims are as prone to human failings as any other humans.

Yes, I'll admit that there are probably many MINOs out there that would be slaughtered as apostates if their views get in the way of muzleem zealots....and the fact remains that they are scared silly, in many instances, to step up as a human being rather than a muzleem and speak up against atrocities.

And what about Muslims that give their lives fighting atrocities? What about those who march in to Waziristan, or fight and die in the American military. What about informants who risk the lives of their families? Oh yeah, they get in the way of your bigotted stereotypes.

And by the way, I'm a pagan. The Apaches "lost" because of technology....the same thing that will eventually defeat islam. You should hope your muzleems make out as well as the Apache. From what I can see of non-oil rich muzleem countries, a Reservation would be a couple steps up. Most muzleem countries are the worst rat-holes in the world.

And you should know.

[Tonto]

Problem is, the muzleem that "stand to" are few and far between. Sometimes when I talk to muzleems I know, they look over both shoulders before they answer a question....what's that about? Easy to see that they're scared.
The other question is, when will muzleems that act moderate now be forced by radical muzleems to make a choice? And how does that anticipated event impact the trust factor of non-muzleems? How can they be trusted? I don't give a damn about the Old Testament, or for anything "biblical" for that matter, except for the "red words" parts, so don't run that crap on me....not impressed. The best of the Bible is the red words.....the rest is just the dressing. I'm just a pagan that happens to like Jesus Christ.