Dr. Baruch Goldstein was murdered 14 years ago

[KettleWhistle]

[Mearat a-Mahpela (The Cave of the Patriarchs) is the burial place of Abraham, Yitzhak, and Jacob. The place was purchased by Abraham and conquered by Jacob. The cave is the second-holiest Jewish site. The insane rulers of Israel gave Arabs most of Mearat a-Mahpela even though Arabs massacred Jewish community in the very same city of Hebron.]

Yigal Amir, although he did not actually kill Rabin, is a hero because he raised his gun against a high-ranking traitor, the murderer of Altalena. I would love to know that Dr. Baruch Goldstein walked into the holy Jewish site desecrated by Arabs and exacted revenge on them and preempted the planned pogrom. Unfortunately, I am not sure about that. Dr. Goldstein was a good Jew and a wonderful person, but he was not perhaps a national hero. He was a victim.

The official story is simple: On Purim 1994, the mad Kahanist took his rifle, went into the mosque, and shot the worshipers. Never mind that the place should not be a mosque in the first place. Never mind the Arabs were shot from the different rifle than Dr. Goldstein’s. And certainly never mind that he allegedly shot 154 Arabs with 140 bullets.

The absurdity of the government’s scenario was immediately apparent: a tender person, caring doctor shot Muslims in cold blood. The government ventured a libel that Dr. Goldstein, an army doctor, was so mad that he even refused to obey orders of his commanders and declared his only authorities to be RAMBAM and Kahane, and also refused to treat Gentiles. Those lies were perpetuated though Dr. Goldstein’s commanders disproved them immediately, and he in fact was distinguished for excellence in medical service and have treated many non-Jews.

The Arab crowd lynched Dr. Goldstein after disarming him. Israeli attorney general refused to prosecute the murderers most of whom were well known and boasting of the murder. In another case, when a Jew shot an Arab terrorist after disarming him, the Jew was sentenced to long prison term even though he acted in temporary insanity. As everyone says, Arabs are not treated on par with Jews in the state of Israel. They are treated preferentially.

Immediately after murdering Dr. Goldstein, the Arab mob attempted a large-scale pogrom in Hebron, with nine Jews and a number of Arabs killed in the subsequent clashes. The Hamas-led pogrom was premeditated, prepared long before the incident, as the official warnings indicate. A day before, Palestinian mob ("worshipers") rioted in the Cave, and shortly before the incident they chanted "Slaughter the Jews," as Shamgar report concedes. Acting on Major Stellman's order, the IDF surprisingly released the arrested Palestinian inciter. Despite the exceedingly high tensions and clear pogrom mood, the IDF and Border Police didn't bring reinforcements but left only a handful of guards at the Cave. Massacre of Jews was in the air, and the Israeli government welcomed it, as the massacre would have ended the troublesome Jewish presence in Hebron, as the 1929 massacre did.

The official story accuses Dr. Baruch Goldstein of opening fire at Arabs. Any sensible person - and that doesn't include leftists of Shamgar Commission - would ask how could the doctor achieve at least 154 Arab casualties, including 29 dead, with 140 bullets? He is claimed to walk in the Cave with 4 cartridges, 35 rounds each for Galil rifle. Shooting in the dense crowd of Palestinians, it was just impossible to reach 154 of them. It was impossible to spend one round only for each casualty. It is very hard to kill with a single shot in such hurried circumstances. Even allowing for all those incongruence, there is physically no way to score 154 Arab casualties with 140 bullets.

Arabs murdered Dr. Baruch Goldstein when he tried to reload his rifle, so at least one of the four cartridges was still unused, bringing the number of bullets down to 105. It is completely implausible that almost each bullet wounded several Arabs, passing through their bodies.

Shooting 4 cartridges in rapid-fire mode would not have produced that many casualties, and might jam the rifle. Shooting 105 or 140 bullets in semi-automatic mode would have taken a considerable time, giving the guard just meters away enough time to react and the Arabs – to flee.

Even the best shooter cannot realistically score 154 casualties acting alone, with a single rifle, hurrying, in dense crowd. And Dr. Goldstein was not a great shooter. Neither before, nor after him, in thousands of terrorist acts throughout the world, was such a score achieved. No shooter came even close. Only in the totalitarian Israeli state which controls the media, brainwashed people can believe such nonsense. To compare, the Arab who inflicted 19 casualties in Merkaz HaRav yeshiva in March 2008 spent about 600 bullets.

Another scenario is more likely, and supported by the large body of evidence: Dr. Goldstein appeared on the scene when Palestinians had already started the riot they had prepared for months. The doctor was the first Jewish victim of the Arab mob. Israeli soldiers on duty shot at the Arab crowd, achieving the impressive 154 casualties. But at that time of rampaging peace process, the Peres-Beilin-Rabin clique could ill afford a picture of Arabs massacring Jews in Hebron, so they invented the story of Dr. Goldstein's "massacre." So the subsequent Arab riot became "justified" instead of being a normal Arab pogrom. As an added benefit, Peres-Beilin-Rabin framed the Kach Party, the only force which could stop the suicidal peace process. Israeli establishment used the fact that Dr. Goldstein was a member of Kach to ban the party (it's good that they did not ban the medical profession, since he was also a doctor).
At the Shamgar Commission hearings, two Israeli soldiers on duty that morning (Kobi and Niv) testified that Dr. Goldstein entered the Cave wearing his standard M-16 rifle, not the Galil used in the shootings. Independently of each other, they also said they saw another man entering the Cave with the Galil rifle. Shamgar rejected their testimonies.

A search for the mystery man with Galil rifle walking in the Cave beyond the army posts in the dawn could lead to one place only: Shabak, Israeli security service. Just like they framed Yigal Amir and murdered Rabin, they also sent their man to shoot in the Arab crowd. The objective was tremendous: to end both the Jewish presence in Hebron (a major issue for Jewish zealots) and the only real political opposition, Kach (Netanyahu, that farce of an opposition, transferred Hebron to Arab jurisdiction).
It remains obscure how Dr. Goldstein entered the Isaac Hall, full of Muslims, without anyone noticing him in such a highly unusual movement. No less likely, he was murdered elsewhere in the Cave and his body later dragged into the Isaac Hall. Several Palestinians testified they saw Dr. Goldstein shooting, but even Shamgar report notes numerous severe contradictions in Arab testimonies. Shamgar conjectured that Dr. Goldstein entered through Yosefia route, but his fingerprints are absent on the door.
Conveniently for Shamgar, the CCTV on the site was declared not operating at the time.

Israeli rulers had a tremendous interest in murdering Dr. Goldstein. After the assassination of R. Meir Kahane, Dr. Goldstein became the link between several feuding Kahanist factions. After Dr. Goldstein's murder, R. Binyamin Kahane became the leader of Kach, and was also assassinated. R. Binyamin Kahane was also ostensibly killed by Arabs, but the fact that the assassins "accidentally" pumped 62 bullets in the front seats of his car while not touching the kids on the rear seat reveals Israeli snipers. Years later, the IDF arrested the alleged assassin, but since he had several murders on his hands, it was no problem convincing him to also accept responsibility for R. Binyamin's.

Years later, the leader and an activist of Jewish Defense League in America, Irv Rubin and Earl Kruger were murdered ("committed suicide") in two separate incidents in high-security US prisons. JDL was the last remnant of Kahane's movement. Israeli establishment did away with Kach.

On a separate note, killing of Arabs in the Cave of the Patriarchs is no different from the ancient events we celebrate on the Purim.


source: http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dr-bar...-years-ago.htm

[Mil]

Would have killed him myself. Just another psycho.

[dayag]

Originally Posted by Mil

Would have killed him myself. Just another psycho.

Agreed.

[NewsGuy]

As much as I like seeing Jews fight back against Muslim terrorism, Goldstein went about it in the wrong way.

It would have been far more effective taking a political route by trying to elect a government willing to use legitimate means to distance Israel from its enemies.

At the same time, it would be more effective to gather large groups of Jews who would march on the Arab settlements to protest the brutal Muslim occupation of parts of the the Jewish homeland, and encourage those Muslims to return to their own homelands so that both Israelis and Muslims can live in peace and dignity.

[Yala]

This conspiracy theory makes no sense. Basically blames Shabak for covering up Palestinian riots to save Rabin and his peace deal and then goes on to claim that Shabak killed Rabin.

[MGB8]

Goldstein was a crazy man, who brought shame to our community and death to others. Amir is the same. Neither deserve anything.

[KettleWhistle]

Originally Posted by Yala

This conspiracy theory makes no sense. Basically blames Shabak for covering up Palestinian riots to save Rabin and his peace deal and then goes on to claim that Shabak killed Rabin.

I don't believe in it either, just think it was an interesting piece.

Originally Posted by MGB8

Goldstein was a crazy man, who brought shame to our community and death to others. Amir is the same. Neither deserve anything.

I doubt he was crazy. I think emotionally shaken is more like it. I don't blame him for a second, nor do I believe his actions brought shame to our community. Arabs pushed too far too long ago. Someone has to finally push back.

As for Amir, he is a hero. Plain and simple. He killed a Nazi in a Jewish skin. We should be proud of him. There is nothing to be ashamed of when a man stands up for his people and his country.

[Mil]

Nazi in Jewish skin? Rabin did hell of a lot more to Israel and his people then all of Kettles combined will even be able to contemplate not just accomplish.
Next time just speak in your own name not ours - and especially when you use words like "Nazi" to which I apparently doubt you know what it means.

[KettleWhistle]

Sure he did

He killed (Altalena, Oslo), betrayed (spied and collaborated with the British against Lehi and Irgun), committed multiple acts of sedition (Oslo), brought his terrorist business partners into Israel, and gave away our homeland to the enemy. Am I missing something here in his "illustrious" carreer.

He should've been hanging alongside Eichmann.

[Mil]

Do you know how to say weak in Spanish? Look it up.

[Yala]

Can anyone on here tell me which PM brought Arafat and his terrorists from Tunis to Israel?

[sharonbn]

Can anyone on here tell me who was the chief of staff during the victorious six days war?

[Aliyah1995]

To answer Yala- Shimon Peres (although he wasn't PM at the time); to answer Sharonnb- Yitzhak Rabin....

Ok, now I want a cookie

[KettleWhistle]

Originally Posted by sharonbn

Can anyone on here tell me who was the chief of staff during the victorious six days war?

6 day war was not victorious. It was a strategic loss in the war that is being fought and is being lost up to this day. As for Rabin, his role in it in no way whitewashes his crimes against the Jewish people. Just like that Israeli colonel who had a great military career and then went on to train the army of Pablo Escobar.

[Jewscout]

Rabin was a brave man who was there when this country was built up. All he was doing was trying to bring Israel what it had and has never had, a time of peace. the peace deals with Egypt and Jordan had worked out for the best and at the time there was no reason to believe that it wouldn't have worked out for the best when he sat down with Arafat.

yagil amir is a murderer and nutcase, and i fear for those who believe they are above G-d's torah to sanctify what is murder, plain and simple.