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Old 12-30-2003, 04:43 PM   #1
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The fence that keeps Islamist mass murders out

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This website covers the various aspects of the security fence project. Here you will find comprehensive information on the Israeli point of view, answers to Palestinian claims, background material and analyses which will help you get to the root of this complex issue and to understand the true nature of this fence: a temporary and reversible line of defense - not a "Berlin wall"; a necessary life-saving fence that takes into account humanitarian considerations - not an "apartheid wall".

In addition to the following web pages, we invite you to watch a Power-Point presentation on the security fence issue.
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Old 12-30-2003, 08:52 PM   #2
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Do ypu really think the fence will protect Israel?

If I were a Pali, I would wait for Israeli to unilaterally retreat behind it and only then commence to punch holes in it.

From today's news:

Hamas leader Sheik Ahmed Yassin stated last night following an IDF aerial missile strike against a terrorist in Gaza, “The Israeli enemy only understands force and must pay for her crimes. Hamas knows how to make her pay”.

Do you think it's going to stop them? Sadly, most seem to think so, looking at the short term achievements.
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Old 12-30-2003, 10:39 PM   #3
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The Great Wall of China can be seeb from the moon. Is Israel trying to set a new record?
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Old 12-31-2003, 04:22 AM   #4
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The Great Wall of China can be seeb from the moon. Is Israel trying to set a new record?
The biggest advantage of the Fence is that it cut PALESTINIAN CRIME by many percents./

They cannot steal:
Cars, Jeeps, Trucks and "slaughter" them for parts
Weapons.
Bee hives
Cattle
Chemicals,
Whores,
Fertilizers...

You name it.
It is the ECONOMY STUPID said Billy.

The Fence is also saving lives. So said Dichter.

We don't want the fence to be seen from the moon. Rather, be FELT from the ground.
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Old 01-13-2004, 02:06 AM   #5
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Dan SHiftan on the Fence and the Coming Haague trial:

It is A SUICIDAL AND CRIMINAL GOVERNMENT WHO DOES NOT BUILD A FENCE THAT SAVES ITS PEOPLE"S LIFE.

All the comparisons to Berlin wall are totally wrong.

That FENCE was meant to prevent PEOPLE LEAVING THE STATE

THE SECURITY FENCE IS MEANT TO PREVENT MURDERERS FROM ENTRERING THE STATE.
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Old 01-13-2004, 03:07 PM   #6
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Where do I send my check to contribute to the cost of building the fence?

Let the rest of the world eat cake --- I want to save Jewish lives.
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Old 01-13-2004, 03:45 PM   #7
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The Great Wall of China can be seeb from the moon. Is Israel trying to set a new record?
What if they are?
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Old 01-13-2004, 03:53 PM   #8
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Do ypu really think the fence will protect Israel?

If I were a Pali, I would wait for Israeli to unilaterally retreat behind it and only then commence to punch holes in it.

From today's news:

Hamas leader Sheik Ahmed Yassin stated last night following an IDF aerial missile strike against a terrorist in Gaza, “The Israeli enemy only understands force and must pay for her crimes. Hamas knows how to make her pay”.

Do you think it's going to stop them? Sadly, most seem to think so, looking at the short term achievements.
I think it’s difficult to punch a hole through a reinforced concrete fence; it would make one hell of a racket.

The fence will save lives in the long term.
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Old 01-13-2004, 05:23 PM   #9
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Importantly though it's not unique either. We're lead to believe that the 'fence' is somehow a one of a kind thing in the world. As I posted elsewhere, in a recent article in National Geographic there are fences and walls between countries all over the world. Some of them are robust.

For example India is erecting an 1,800 mile heavily fortified fence to protect itself from Pakistani terrorist incursions.

Kuwait has an armed 150 mile border with Iraq.

The Korean DMZ is the most heavily armed place on earth.

The Greek and Turkish sectors of Cyprus are kept apart by a 112 mile fence.

Even the US and Mexico have a 60 mile fence.

Zambia and Angola have a 620 mile fence between them.
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Old 01-13-2004, 08:20 PM   #10
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I think it’s important to keep in mind that the fence by itself isn’t the whole issue, it still comes down to an alleged land issue. Sharon promised/agreed to the Palestinians a State without the exact details specified in writing (who gets what). I imagine that east of the wall becomes the Palestinian side and the west will be incorporated into the state of Israel or something along that line. I wonder if that’s the position of the current Israeli Administration?

The Palestinians should have been booted (dead or alive) out of the WB a long time ago and the fence should have been built to separate Jordan and Israel.
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Old 01-13-2004, 10:00 PM   #11
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I imagine that east of the wall becomes the Palestinian side and the west will be incorporated into the state of Israel or something along that line. I wonder if that’s the position of the current Israeli Administration?
Sharon & Co. won't admit it. They keep on saying the the fence can be moved when final border agreements are in place. But I don't believe Sharon for a moment.
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The Palestinians should have been booted (dead or alive) out of the WB a long time ago and the fence should have been built to separate Jordan and Israel.
It's not too late. I am a firm believer that in the not too long run, this fence will not protect Ghetto Israel.
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Old 01-14-2004, 09:31 AM   #12
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If my understanding of UN Resolution 242 is correct, then Israel in the interest of national security has the right to expropriate/annex land to secure a defendable border.

Whilst the world might not agree it should certainly understand that there’s a need for a monolithic separation and Sharon should issue a statement that the fence stays where it is and the land is annexed. Period!

One difficulty that arises with annexation is that you inherit the Palestinians that live/own the land on your side of the fence. That’s my understanding of the matter!
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Old 01-14-2004, 12:22 PM   #13
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Imagine, Ibrodsky, íf the United States, were separated by walls according to people's beliefs!

Impossible!

Where would you put the lines?
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Old 01-14-2004, 12:54 PM   #14
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There is a 60 mile fence between Mexico and Southern California and given that some illegals are here for the 2nd or thrid generation I suspect they would want to make a similar claim. I also suspect that as long as Mexico does nothing to incent its own people to stay in Mexico and instead silently prompt them to leave Mexico thereby allieviating whatever burden they present to Mexico while at the same time taking advantage of the money they send back home, then we will never see a change in illegals to Mexifornia, all of Bush's 'amnesty' notwithstanding.

Imagine - really - imagine what it would be like if at its core the relationship between Israel and Palestine were not at its core, parasitic.
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Old 01-14-2004, 01:11 PM   #15
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If the consumer ended up paying 100% or even 50% more for produce or fruit they would squawk. If the condo owners in Southern California had to pay double to have their lawns cut and trees pruned they would squawk.

And so it goes…
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