'Global Peace and Unity' - British style

Mira · 12-07-2005, 09:41 AM

This Shameful Ranting Must Stop
Last uploaded : Wednesday 7th Dec 2005 at 02:00
Contributed by : Carol Gould

Just before going back to the USA after five months in the UK I attended the �Global Peace and Unity� Conference at London�s Excel Centre presented by the new Islam Channel and sponsored by Emirates Airlines, Western Union (hmm??) and the Metropolitan Police.

It was advertised as a diverse event to which non-Muslims were invited and the impression one got from the website was of a celebration of Middle Eastern culture, food, music and children�s activities in a London milieu.

To my utter horror -- and I should have written this report two days ago but my physical and emotional shock have rendered me nearly inert -- it was a seven-hour call to Jihad by a succession of ranting and shouting rabble-rousers.

The eminent barrister Michael Mansfield QC, wearing black and white keffiyah scarf, shouted into the mike about the heinous crimes of the Western coalition countries. The crowd chanted and thundered its appreciation.

The terrifying demagogue George Galloway ascended the podium and exhorted the crowd to stand up for the redemption of the oppressed Muslim world or else the nation had better get ready for �rioting in every street in Britain.�.

The �slaughter in Palestine and Iraq� being only part of the equation, Chechnya, Bosnia and Kashmir were also mentioned all day by every speaker including a crazed, chador-clad Yvonne Ridley, who at any moment I expected to self-immolate, such was her fury at the Zionists, the Americans and her fellow Britons. To my utter disbelief, she condemned the British police force as some form of fascist brigade in �jackboot Britain.�

To all of these exhortations came cries of �Alllahu Akhbar� from the enormous, simmering crowd of what looked to me like the angriest gathering of young men and women with whom I have ever had the misfortune to be seated in my lifetime.

It must be noted for non-British and non-Commonwealth readers that legendary cricketer Imran Khan�s arrival from Pakistan to give a speech would be the equivalent of a sporting megastar doing similar in an American arena. The crowd of some 20,000 adoring, mostly young British Muslims went mad with joy when he ascended the stage and took to the dais. What followed was a stream of invective about his own leader, Parvez Musharraf, Egypt�s leader Hosni Mubarak, and of course the �axis of evil� Bush, Blair and allies. (It must be noted here that in May, when the controversy arose about American soldiers allegedly flushing a Koran down a lavatory, Khan�s power over world Islam was such that he gave one short speech and riots ensued across the globe, including the horrifying flag-burnings in London�s Grosvenor Square. )

Khan actually said we should feel the degradation of modern Muslims in the context of Hitler and the Germans after Versailles. He used this example to accentuate the reason for �Muslim rage� -- there was poor Germany belittled and humiliated, like the Muslim world today. He recounted being confronted by a fellow Pakistani after 9/11 who asked, �Do you not feel ashamed?� and he told the adoring crowd he did not see what there was to be ashamed of, and anyway, 9/11 was an excuse for the criminal Washington neocons to start a New Crusade against Islam.

To illustrate the level of extremism to which this event had degenerated, one of the organisers actually took the mike and said the event team wished to distance themselves from Khan�s 9/11 views.

Various �artists� whom I had thought would offer a variety of musical numbers gave loud, piercing renditions of what seemed the same chant about Allah. OK, that is fine, but where are the Muslim Placido Domingos, Joan Sutherlands, Isaac Sterns and George Balanchines? Why were there no Muslim educators present at this �cultural festival� asking this vast multitude of young people to sign up for music, theatre and art programmes?

An elderly sheikh in Pakistan was beamed in live to tell this excited crowd that he could hardly bring himself to articulate the word �Israel� as this is not a country that even exists. (How would British Muslims like it if a rabbi got up and said partition had produced a country called Pakistan, a word he could barely utter because it is not a real country?)

The sheikh's English was barely comprehensible but he appeared to imply that Jews from �eighty nations� were brought to Palestine to drive the Arabs away and to commit murder, torture, imprisonment and theft of land and homes over fifty-odd years. The young and impressionable crowd seemed ready for a collective Jihad at this point.

What was interesting was the repeated theme by a string of sheikhs from across the globe that the leaders of Arab nations were a weak, spineless bunch of puppets of the Americans who did not have the guts to stand up to Israel and the United States. This theme caused tremendous excitement in the crowd, as if a global Intifadah might just start in this London arena.

After the event I went to get some fresh air upstairs and as I looked out at a quaint old mill on the Quay a young English Muslim in a long robe and head covering asked me about this place where we stood, Canary Wharf. I told him it had been decimated and nearly obliterated by the Luftwaffe in the Blitz and that the conflagration could be seen as far away as Hertfordshire. I pointed out the lone mill and said it had miraculously survived the relentless wartime bombing raids. He looked at me and said, �Who did you say did the bombing?� I replied, �The Luftwaffe.� He said �Who are they?� I said, �The Germans.� He said �Really? Well, I�ve learned something today.�

Like the Muslim cab driver who last week asked me what St Paul�s Cathedral was, this young Englishman had no sense of British history or identity.

Shame on the Muslim Community of Great Britain for organising an event that can serve only to further agitate an already-radicalised segment of the British population.

The anger, aggression and totally obsessive nature of the day left me feeling shocked and personally assaulted. How far would a white Christian group get holding such a rally? Cries of racial incitement would ring far and wide and the police would be summoned.

When the Muslim community of Great Britain, with its multitude of organisations, mosques and even its own Parliament, can organise an enlightened and civilised event that makes Jews, Christians , Hindus and all nationalities -- including Israelis and Americans -- feel welcome, then Britain will have achieved a true multiculturalism.

Until then, I am not ashamed to say I am scared out of my wits and would suggest said Americans, Jews, Israelis and Hindus get out of here as soon as possible. British Christians? They have expended boundless energies on condemnations of Israel and the USA but the anger I saw on Sunday will also decimate them.

In this same week, Polly Toynbee has written a scathing piece about the repulsive nature of Christian imagery in 'The Chronicles of Narnia.' She condemns religion in general but has particularly venomous feelings about traditional Christianity. Dare I say it was this faith that sustained Britain in its Churchillian 'darkest hours?' Wake up, dear, tolerant Britons, and stop expending energy on hatred of America, Zionists and your own Church and recognise the destructive turmoil within your shores before it is too late.

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Achihud · 12-09-2005, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mira

The terrifying demagogue George Galloway ascended the podium and exhorted the crowd to stand up for the redemption of the oppressed Muslim world or else the nation had better get ready for ?rioting in every street in Britain.?.

Mira, that is the big difference between the leftists and ...someone like me. You've once said "save me from your followers" right?

But the difference between them and me can't get bigger then this. They fear rioting as a result of standing firm against a growing political pressure and I rather choose riots here and now because we will have riots ANYWAY!!! The sooner they arrive, the better there can be dealt with.

Despite the foolish leftists there is an extremism, hate-mongering and terrorism we can count on to be immune for this spineless kind of, with wanton blindness hardened, appeasers.

12-27-2005, 07:26 PM

Achihud do you honestly think that Galloway is a leftist, and not a radical muslim himself?

I believe that he has long since converted to Islam.

12-28-2005, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cato

Achihud do you honestly think that Galloway is a leftist, and not a radical muslim himself?

I believe that he has long since converted to Islam.

LOL! a man who supports Gay Civil Rights groups a muslim! Do me a favour...Whats a 'leftist'? You mean he's left wing?

Roland · 12-28-2005, 05:44 AM

Lefthanded?

12-30-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Roland

Lefthanded?

We all know left handed people are sinister.

01-10-2006, 04:31 PM

Galloway supported Gay Rights very early in his career but he has changed. Red Ken used to supprt Gay Rights, but now he supports radical Islamist Extremists like Shiek Qaradawi who believes that Gays and jews should be brutally executed, gives Qaradawi massive political support while refusing to see Moderate Muslims like Irshad Manji.

So are you sure he is left wing, and not a Muslim Extremist himself?

His tour de arab world were he made hate the west hate israel hate the jew speech constantly could have fooled me into thinking that he is no leftist.

Another question I have is why is the left so inlove with people that would eliminate all possibility of practicing what they say they stand for?

01-13-2006, 05:05 AM

George Galloway is now a contestant on Celebrity Big Brother in the UK, and yet he expects people to take him seriously.

Believe me... you don't need worry about this guy. He is a laughing stock in the eyes of the British media. For god's sake, he described Saddam Hussein as an 'honourable leader'.

As for the British public, I have never encountered anti-semitism. To be honest, 9/10 people wouldn't know what a jew was.

minusthejihad · 01-13-2006, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BeamStar

As for the British public, I have never encountered anti-semitism. To be honest, 9/10 people wouldn't know what a jew was.

That's usually how it starts. Lack of education, ethnocentrism, fear of the unknown.

physics · 01-13-2006, 08:45 PM

Quote:

As for the British public, I have never encountered anti-semitism. To be honest, 9/10 people wouldn't know what a jew was.

Well if they don't know what a Jew is, I guess they don't know about the Holocaust, or the genocide of Jews. They probably think of the Holocaust as atrocities committed against German enemies, but not specifically of the Jewish people.

01-14-2006, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by physics

Well if they don't know what a Jew is, I guess they don't know about the Holocaust, or the genocide of Jews. They probably think of the Holocaust as atrocities committed against German enemies, but not specifically of the Jewish people.

FYI

Every British state educated child studies the holocaust and issues surrounding it in history lessons aged about 12/13.

There are are also lessons on Judaism and history of anti semitism in R.E lessons.

01-14-2006, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by minusthejihad

That's usually how it starts. Lack of education, ethnocentrism, fear of the unknown.

Hi,

I don't understand why you determine that ignorance is akin to enthnocentrism? Most likely they are too interestested in D.I.Y than their own or others ethnicity.

minusthejihad · 01-14-2006, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ossian

Hi,

I don't understand why you determine that ignorance is akin to enthnocentrism? Most likely they are too interestested in D.I.Y than their own or others ethnicity.

I don't think it's akin. I think it's one of many reasons for anti-semitism. I just named a few, two of qhich could have also been called ignorance. But certain countries or peoples are somewhat ethnocentric. The Russians are well known for this. I think it's safe to say that centuries of colonialist ideology in Great Britain may still have left over ethnocentric residue.

physics · 01-14-2006, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Every British state educated child studies the holocaust and issues surrounding it in history lessons aged about 12/13.There are are also lessons on Judaism and history of anti semitism in R.E lessons.

Well I guess Beamstar needs to modify his comment about 9/10 British ignorance of Jews.

physics · 01-14-2006, 08:52 PM

Quote:

There are are also lessons on Judaism and history of anti semitism in R.E lessons.

Do the lessons include the English expulsion of the Jews in 1290?

12-07-2005, 09:41 AM	#1
Mira Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,978	'Global Peace and Unity' - British style This Shameful Ranting Must Stop Last uploaded : Wednesday 7th Dec 2005 at 02:00 Contributed by : Carol Gould Just before going back to the USA after five months in the UK I attended the �Global Peace and Unity� Conference at London�s Excel Centre presented by the new Islam Channel and sponsored by Emirates Airlines, Western Union (hmm??) and the Metropolitan Police. It was advertised as a diverse event to which non-Muslims were invited and the impression one got from the website was of a celebration of Middle Eastern culture, food, music and children�s activities in a London milieu. To my utter horror -- and I should have written this report two days ago but my physical and emotional shock have rendered me nearly inert -- it was a seven-hour call to Jihad by a succession of ranting and shouting rabble-rousers. The eminent barrister Michael Mansfield QC, wearing black and white keffiyah scarf, shouted into the mike about the heinous crimes of the Western coalition countries. The crowd chanted and thundered its appreciation. The terrifying demagogue George Galloway ascended the podium and exhorted the crowd to stand up for the redemption of the oppressed Muslim world or else the nation had better get ready for �rioting in every street in Britain.�. The �slaughter in Palestine and Iraq� being only part of the equation, Chechnya, Bosnia and Kashmir were also mentioned all day by every speaker including a crazed, chador-clad Yvonne Ridley, who at any moment I expected to self-immolate, such was her fury at the Zionists, the Americans and her fellow Britons. To my utter disbelief, she condemned the British police force as some form of fascist brigade in �jackboot Britain.� To all of these exhortations came cries of �Alllahu Akhbar� from the enormous, simmering crowd of what looked to me like the angriest gathering of young men and women with whom I have ever had the misfortune to be seated in my lifetime. It must be noted for non-British and non-Commonwealth readers that legendary cricketer Imran Khan�s arrival from Pakistan to give a speech would be the equivalent of a sporting megastar doing similar in an American arena. The crowd of some 20,000 adoring, mostly young British Muslims went mad with joy when he ascended the stage and took to the dais. What followed was a stream of invective about his own leader, Parvez Musharraf, Egypt�s leader Hosni Mubarak, and of course the �axis of evil� Bush, Blair and allies. (It must be noted here that in May, when the controversy arose about American soldiers allegedly flushing a Koran down a lavatory, Khan�s power over world Islam was such that he gave one short speech and riots ensued across the globe, including the horrifying flag-burnings in London�s Grosvenor Square. ) Khan actually said we should feel the degradation of modern Muslims in the context of Hitler and the Germans after Versailles. He used this example to accentuate the reason for �Muslim rage� -- there was poor Germany belittled and humiliated, like the Muslim world today. He recounted being confronted by a fellow Pakistani after 9/11 who asked, �Do you not feel ashamed?� and he told the adoring crowd he did not see what there was to be ashamed of, and anyway, 9/11 was an excuse for the criminal Washington neocons to start a New Crusade against Islam. To illustrate the level of extremism to which this event had degenerated, one of the organisers actually took the mike and said the event team wished to distance themselves from Khan�s 9/11 views. Various �artists� whom I had thought would offer a variety of musical numbers gave loud, piercing renditions of what seemed the same chant about Allah. OK, that is fine, but where are the Muslim Placido Domingos, Joan Sutherlands, Isaac Sterns and George Balanchines? Why were there no Muslim educators present at this �cultural festival� asking this vast multitude of young people to sign up for music, theatre and art programmes? An elderly sheikh in Pakistan was beamed in live to tell this excited crowd that he could hardly bring himself to articulate the word �Israel� as this is not a country that even exists. (How would British Muslims like it if a rabbi got up and said partition had produced a country called Pakistan, a word he could barely utter because it is not a real country?) The sheikh's English was barely comprehensible but he appeared to imply that Jews from �eighty nations� were brought to Palestine to drive the Arabs away and to commit murder, torture, imprisonment and theft of land and homes over fifty-odd years. The young and impressionable crowd seemed ready for a collective Jihad at this point. What was interesting was the repeated theme by a string of sheikhs from across the globe that the leaders of Arab nations were a weak, spineless bunch of puppets of the Americans who did not have the guts to stand up to Israel and the United States. This theme caused tremendous excitement in the crowd, as if a global Intifadah might just start in this London arena. After the event I went to get some fresh air upstairs and as I looked out at a quaint old mill on the Quay a young English Muslim in a long robe and head covering asked me about this place where we stood, Canary Wharf. I told him it had been decimated and nearly obliterated by the Luftwaffe in the Blitz and that the conflagration could be seen as far away as Hertfordshire. I pointed out the lone mill and said it had miraculously survived the relentless wartime bombing raids. He looked at me and said, �Who did you say did the bombing?� I replied, �The Luftwaffe.� He said �Who are they?� I said, �The Germans.� He said �Really? Well, I�ve learned something today.� Like the Muslim cab driver who last week asked me what St Paul�s Cathedral was, this young Englishman had no sense of British history or identity. Shame on the Muslim Community of Great Britain for organising an event that can serve only to further agitate an already-radicalised segment of the British population. The anger, aggression and totally obsessive nature of the day left me feeling shocked and personally assaulted. How far would a white Christian group get holding such a rally? Cries of racial incitement would ring far and wide and the police would be summoned. When the Muslim community of Great Britain, with its multitude of organisations, mosques and even its own Parliament, can organise an enlightened and civilised event that makes Jews, Christians , Hindus and all nationalities -- including Israelis and Americans -- feel welcome, then Britain will have achieved a true multiculturalism. Until then, I am not ashamed to say I am scared out of my wits and would suggest said Americans, Jews, Israelis and Hindus get out of here as soon as possible. British Christians? They have expended boundless energies on condemnations of Israel and the USA but the anger I saw on Sunday will also decimate them. In this same week, Polly Toynbee has written a scathing piece about the repulsive nature of Christian imagery in 'The Chronicles of Narnia.' She condemns religion in general but has particularly venomous feelings about traditional Christianity. Dare I say it was this faith that sustained Britain in its Churchillian 'darkest hours?' Wake up, dear, tolerant Britons, and stop expending energy on hatred of America, Zionists and your own Church and recognise the destructive turmoil within your shores before it is too late. http://www.currentviewpoint.com/cgib...ews&newsid=826 __________________ "Out beyond rightdoing and wrongdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there." Rumi

01-13-2006, 05:05 AM	#8
BeamStar Guest Posts: n/a	George Galloway - Don't make me laugh George Galloway is now a contestant on Celebrity Big Brother in the UK, and yet he expects people to take him seriously. Believe me... you don't need worry about this guy. He is a laughing stock in the eyes of the British media. For god's sake, he described Saddam Hussein as an 'honourable leader'. As for the British public, I have never encountered anti-semitism. To be honest, 9/10 people wouldn't know what a jew was.

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Cato Guest Posts: n/a	Achihud do you honestly think that Galloway is a leftist, and not a radical muslim himself? I believe that he has long since converted to Islam.

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Cato Guest Posts: n/a	Galloway supported Gay Rights very early in his career but he has changed. Red Ken used to supprt Gay Rights, but now he supports radical Islamist Extremists like Shiek Qaradawi who believes that Gays and jews should be brutally executed, gives Qaradawi massive political support while refusing to see Moderate Muslims like Irshad Manji. So are you sure he is left wing, and not a Muslim Extremist himself? His tour de arab world were he made hate the west hate israel hate the jew speech constantly could have fooled me into thinking that he is no leftist. Another question I have is why is the left so inlove with people that would eliminate all possibility of practicing what they say they stand for?

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