A case for Magog/Gog being USA/Bush

varian · 03-04-2006, 11:18 PM

This goy found the following to be a stunning eye opener. Who would have thunk it???

"...Mogog Identified

The key to this secret was revealed by the great and holy mystic, Rabbi Issac Luria (Safed, Israel 1534-1572), the most eminent of all kabbalists. His word is the undisputed final word amongst all Jewish sages in every part of the world for almost 500 years. He is said to have studied with the prophet Elijah on a daily basis. He is known as “The Holy Ari of Blessed Memory.”

The Ari revealed the following: The words “GogUMogog” have the numeric value of 70 [3+6+3+6+40+3+6+3]. (In Hebrew there are no numerals to express numbers. Numbers are represented using the letters of the Hebrew alphabet, with each letter representing a number corresponding to its place in the alphabet. Thus every Hebrew word has a numeric value.) Seventy is the number of nations mentioned in the Bible (Genesis 10). In Jewish writings, reference is frequently made to the 70 non-Jewish nations of the world. (The fact that there are close to 200 independent nations today is not relevant, as a group of politically independent countries may be considered one nation. For example, 21 Arab countries are only one nation). This alludes to the fact that Gog from Mogog is the head of the super power which dominates the 70 nations of the world.

The Ari has thus clearly and unequivocally identified Mogog as the super-power of the world. He has uncovered the mystery. Mogog is none other then this blessed country of ours, the United States of America, and “Gog” is its president.

The prophet Ezekiel sees Gog and Mogog coming from “the distant north”. Scholars therefore went looking for “The Land of Mogog” in Turkey or Russia.

They were mistaken. The Bible’s reference points to determine “the distant north” is different then those commonly employed. As this is a very important point, ..."

"...Gog Identified

Now that we know which country is “Mogog”, we also know who the prophet is referring to by “Gog”. The president of the United States, at the time of this war is the “Gog” of Ezekiel.

It is interesting to note that throughout the Bible leaders of nations are “kings”. Here the prophet titles the leader of Mogog as a “Nosi,” which is best translated as an elected president. The prophet knew that we would be dealing with a democratic country and an elected leader.

The prophet calls Gog the president of Mogog, and also the leader Meshekh and Tuval. Many suggestions have been offered as to the exact identity of these two countries. I suggest that Meshekh and Tuval be translated literally. Meshekh means “to pull” or “draw” and Tuval means “the world.” The leader of Mogog is also the World leader, the one who pulls and draws the entire world to the direction he chooses.

George W. Bush, must be “Gog”!

Interestingly, the name, George, is closely related to the Hebrew “Gog.” (The Hebrew letter “Gimmel” can be pronounced either as a soft G (J) or a hard G. In the Koran “Gog” is spelled with the Arabic equivalent of “JOJ”).

In addition, the numeric value of the first 2 letters of Mogog, Mem and Gimel, is 43, alluding to George the 43rd.

The letter “Mem” at the beginning of a word means “from”. Thus, Gog Mogog may also be hinting at George from (the son of) George.

Another interesting observation:

As mentioned earlier, the Talmud reveals that Sennacherib was poised to become “Gog”. The Kabbalists teach that they actually share the same soul. In Hebrew, both you, Gog Bush [3+6+3+2+6+300], and Sennacherib [60+50+8+200+2] share the same numeric value [320]!..."
http://www.gogumogog.com/html/gog_fr..._of_mogog.html

"...And navies from the hand of Kitim will come and will torture Ashur (Assyria), and will torture Eber, and they are also destined to be perished"

All the ancient commentators (including ancient Aramaic translations) explain these verses at the same spirit, here is an outline of their words:

Oh for he who will...: The Midrash says: "Rabbi Yohanan says: Oh for the nation that will exist when HaShem (G_d) will bring redemption for his sons.

And navies from the hand of Kitim: Big ships sent by Romans (Unkelus and Yonatan translations). And we already know that the meaning of "Romans" in Jewish literature is "Christians."

And will torture Ashur: They will fight against and torture Ashur. Ashur is in the area of modern Iraq and Iran, and Unkelus translation clearly says that it will be near the river of Perath.

And will torture Eber: Da`ath Zqenim explains that Eber means the people of Israel, and the meaning is probably that the Christians will torture the "Ashurians" and the "Ashurians" will torture (Has VeShalom) the people of Israel back.

and they are also destined to be perished: Also they (the Christian reign) will be perished forever. And all of this will be at the days of the Messiah King.

And here we see that a prophecy more than 3000 years old, from the times when the people of Israel were in the desert of Sinay, tells in detail what's going to happen at the end of times. We'll now summarize the prophecy:

Christians armies from the Christian superpower [=Americans] will arrive in big ships [=war ships and carriers] to the area of Ashur [=Iraq, Iran] will fight them and will cause them severe damage. As a result, Ashur [=Iraq, Iran] will cause tortures (Has VeShalom) to the people of Israel (=Missile attack? Terror?). But eventually not only will Ashur be perished but also the Christian superpower, and the reign will go over to the Messiah King and the people of Israel.

And once again we see another prophecy that relates the redemption of Israel to the fall of Babylon-Iraq, and fits exactly with all mentioned above prophecies. ..."
http://www.rabbiyess.com/JEREMIAH.html

GogUmogog Prophcies in the Torah
http://www.gogumogog.com/html/prophetic_texts.html

This is a lot to chew on and possibly mindboggling!!!

SteveMetch · 03-07-2006, 07:55 AM

Will Gog has only two years left to kick Ashur’s but.

varian · 03-08-2006, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveMetch

Will Gog has only two years left to kick Ashur’s but.

Yes, but real point remains that many parts of the planet will suffer due to that conflict at that time. It doesn't really matter who the real players turnout to be, the world as a whole will be affected as never before. The kicking of Ashur's butt is a given.

03-10-2006, 12:07 PM

Wow. Mind boggling for sure! Very interesting!

Achihud · 10-16-2007, 03:30 PM

I expect Armageddon to take place in the year 2054-56

Quote:

Originally Posted by varian

This is a lot to chew on and possibly mindboggling!!!

Too much wishful thinking and random interpretation.
To even suggest that W. Bush could be Gog is totally absurd to begin with...

andak01 · 10-19-2007, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by varian

In Jewish writings, reference is frequently made to the 70 non-Jewish nations of the world. (The fact that there are close to 200 independent nations today is not relevant, as a group of politically independent countries may be considered one nation. For example, 21 Arab countries are only one nation).

Navin R. Johnson: I know we've only known each other four weeks and three days, but to me it seems like nine weeks and five days. The first day seemed like a week and the second day seemed like five days. And the third day seemed like a week again and the fourth day seemed like eight days. And the fifth day you went to see your mother and that seemed just like a day, and then you came back and later on the sixth day, in the evening, when we saw each other, that started seeming like two days, so in the evening it seemed like two days spilling over into the next day and that started seeming like four days, so at the end of the sixth day on into the seventh day, it seemed like a total of five days. And the sixth day seemed like a week and a half. I have it written down, but I can show it to you tomorrow if you want to see it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079367/quotes

varian · 10-19-2007, 08:47 AM

Man, this was posted about a year and a half ago. Talk about resurrecting the dead! Anyway, I have never been a Steve Martin fan; I personally prefer Jim Carrey or Robin Williams. I take a wait and see attitude about most things, while preparing for the worst. I don't take exception to what a 'Jewish kafir' may have 'seen' in the past, I just catalog it as "interesting." I don't need some religious bias or filter to decipher what the author was attempting to say. Besides, Putin and Olmert just had a meeting about the nuclear issue in Iran, and Putin has assured Olmert that the Russian nuclear technology in Iran would never be used for weapons. Now we all believe uncle Vlad, don't we??? Oh wait, uncle Vlad is just another kafir, isn't he??? Maybe we ought to "wait and see" if he is telling the truth!!!

bararallu · 10-19-2007, 01:45 PM

Here's one for you: why resurrect the dead if there is a heaven (and/or hell, purgatory, etc) for souls?

Could it be a fundamental disagreement between Plato and ye olde Hebes? If perfect things go to perfect places, is there any worth in reanimating corruptible and fragile things as bodies?

varian · 10-19-2007, 08:11 PM

I was just using an old cliche. Perhaps I should have used reincarnated. Naw, that doesn't fit either. It was just an old post from 2006.

varian · 10-19-2007, 08:44 PM

Here's something off of Ummah.com, but I don't think that it is the answer for which you are looking:

"I wish to die in way of Allah then get resurrected, then die then get resurrected, then die then get resurrected only to die in His path." - Prophet Muhammad

Multiple resurrections and no reincarnation. Confused yet???

varian · 10-19-2007, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bararallu

Here's one for you: why resurrect the dead if there is a heaven (and/or hell, purgatory, etc) for souls?

Maybe this fellow has the answer. What thinkest thou???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXrlejToRtQ

Whack-jobs R Us!!!???!!!

Achihud · 10-20-2007, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Man, this was posted about a year and a half ago.

I noticed that it was still very active among the readers so I thought it to be a good idea to bring it back.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bararallu

Here's one for you: why resurrect the dead if there is a heaven (and/or hell, purgatory, etc) for souls?

Death is first and farmost a spiritual condition, actually it is truth in a process of decay, like thoughts remaining in the flesh that are consumed by maggots. Physical maggots eat flesh because spiritual maggots eat perishable thoughts. Too much?

Kenneth · 10-20-2007, 06:57 AM

Hardly enough. More maggot talk like below please. I'm mad for maggot talk.

Mother Earth is pregnant for the third time
For y'all have knocked her up.
I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe
I was not offended
For I knew I had to rise above it all
Or drown in my own .

Come on Maggot Brain
Go on Maggot Brain

bararallu · 10-20-2007, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Achihud

Death is first and farmost a spiritual condition, actually it is truth in a process of decay, like thoughts remaining in the flesh that are consumed by maggots. Physical maggots eat flesh because spiritual maggots eat perishable thoughts. Too much?

No not to much. What is a spiritual maggot? I've heard of succubus and vampires, but this is a new development.

Achihud · 10-20-2007, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bararallu

What is a spiritual maggot?

I once had a lucid dream. I was standing in the bathroom when a spirit in the guise of a family member approached me and said I should stand still and not be afraid. Then he stroke me in my face with a karate kick. It didn't hurt but I felt something breaking so I looked into the mirror and watched puss flowing between my nose and eyes. It felt like I needed to squeeze the pus out of my head. It was already watery and along came two giant maggots falling into the washbasin. They were very skinny because I could count the rings.
I immediately understood the significance of the two maggots so I better not comment on that.

Does not anyone want to know more about the threshing-floor?

03-04-2006, 11:18 PM	#1
varian Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,548	A case for Magog/Gog being USA/Bush This goy found the following to be a stunning eye opener. Who would have thunk it??? "...Mogog Identified The key to this secret was revealed by the great and holy mystic, Rabbi Issac Luria (Safed, Israel 1534-1572), the most eminent of all kabbalists. His word is the undisputed final word amongst all Jewish sages in every part of the world for almost 500 years. He is said to have studied with the prophet Elijah on a daily basis. He is known as “The Holy Ari of Blessed Memory.” The Ari revealed the following: The words “GogUMogog” have the numeric value of 70 [3+6+3+6+40+3+6+3]. (In Hebrew there are no numerals to express numbers. Numbers are represented using the letters of the Hebrew alphabet, with each letter representing a number corresponding to its place in the alphabet. Thus every Hebrew word has a numeric value.) Seventy is the number of nations mentioned in the Bible (Genesis 10). In Jewish writings, reference is frequently made to the 70 non-Jewish nations of the world. (The fact that there are close to 200 independent nations today is not relevant, as a group of politically independent countries may be considered one nation. For example, 21 Arab countries are only one nation). This alludes to the fact that Gog from Mogog is the head of the super power which dominates the 70 nations of the world. The Ari has thus clearly and unequivocally identified Mogog as the super-power of the world. He has uncovered the mystery. Mogog is none other then this blessed country of ours, the United States of America, and “Gog” is its president. The prophet Ezekiel sees Gog and Mogog coming from “the distant north”. Scholars therefore went looking for “The Land of Mogog” in Turkey or Russia. They were mistaken. The Bible’s reference points to determine “the distant north” is different then those commonly employed. As this is a very important point, ..." "...Gog Identified Now that we know which country is “Mogog”, we also know who the prophet is referring to by “Gog”. The president of the United States, at the time of this war is the “Gog” of Ezekiel. It is interesting to note that throughout the Bible leaders of nations are “kings”. Here the prophet titles the leader of Mogog as a “Nosi,” which is best translated as an elected president. The prophet knew that we would be dealing with a democratic country and an elected leader. The prophet calls Gog the president of Mogog, and also the leader Meshekh and Tuval. Many suggestions have been offered as to the exact identity of these two countries. I suggest that Meshekh and Tuval be translated literally. Meshekh means “to pull” or “draw” and Tuval means “the world.” The leader of Mogog is also the World leader, the one who pulls and draws the entire world to the direction he chooses. George W. Bush, must be “Gog”! Interestingly, the name, George, is closely related to the Hebrew “Gog.” (The Hebrew letter “Gimmel” can be pronounced either as a soft G (J) or a hard G. In the Koran “Gog” is spelled with the Arabic equivalent of “JOJ”). In addition, the numeric value of the first 2 letters of Mogog, Mem and Gimel, is 43, alluding to George the 43rd. The letter “Mem” at the beginning of a word means “from”. Thus, Gog Mogog may also be hinting at George from (the son of) George. Another interesting observation: As mentioned earlier, the Talmud reveals that Sennacherib was poised to become “Gog”. The Kabbalists teach that they actually share the same soul. In Hebrew, both you, Gog Bush [3+6+3+2+6+300], and Sennacherib [60+50+8+200+2] share the same numeric value [320]!..." http://www.gogumogog.com/html/gog_fr..._of_mogog.html "...And navies from the hand of Kitim will come and will torture Ashur (Assyria), and will torture Eber, and they are also destined to be perished" All the ancient commentators (including ancient Aramaic translations) explain these verses at the same spirit, here is an outline of their words: Oh for he who will...: The Midrash says: "Rabbi Yohanan says: Oh for the nation that will exist when HaShem (G_d) will bring redemption for his sons. And navies from the hand of Kitim: Big ships sent by Romans (Unkelus and Yonatan translations). And we already know that the meaning of "Romans" in Jewish literature is "Christians." And will torture Ashur: They will fight against and torture Ashur. Ashur is in the area of modern Iraq and Iran, and Unkelus translation clearly says that it will be near the river of Perath. And will torture Eber: Da`ath Zqenim explains that Eber means the people of Israel, and the meaning is probably that the Christians will torture the "Ashurians" and the "Ashurians" will torture (Has VeShalom) the people of Israel back. and they are also destined to be perished: Also they (the Christian reign) will be perished forever. And all of this will be at the days of the Messiah King. And here we see that a prophecy more than 3000 years old, from the times when the people of Israel were in the desert of Sinay, tells in detail what's going to happen at the end of times. We'll now summarize the prophecy: Christians armies from the Christian superpower [=Americans] will arrive in big ships [=war ships and carriers] to the area of Ashur [=Iraq, Iran] will fight them and will cause them severe damage. As a result, Ashur [=Iraq, Iran] will cause tortures (Has VeShalom) to the people of Israel (=Missile attack? Terror?). But eventually not only will Ashur be perished but also the Christian superpower, and the reign will go over to the Messiah King and the people of Israel. And once again we see another prophecy that relates the redemption of Israel to the fall of Babylon-Iraq, and fits exactly with all mentioned above prophecies. ..." http://www.rabbiyess.com/JEREMIAH.html GogUmogog Prophcies in the Torah http://www.gogumogog.com/html/prophetic_texts.html This is a lot to chew on and possibly mindboggling!!!

03-07-2006, 07:55 AM	#2
SteveMetch Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: USA Posts: 689	Will Gog has only two years left to kick Ashur’s but. __________________ Mohammed was the Best Muslim according to Muslims The problem with the Middle East is its full of Muslims Islamic (Submission) and Freedom are Mortal Enemies

10-19-2007, 01:45 PM	#8
bararallu Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NY & TA Posts: 5,080	Here's one for you: why resurrect the dead if there is a heaven (and/or hell, purgatory, etc) for souls? Could it be a fundamental disagreement between Plato and ye olde Hebes? If perfect things go to perfect places, is there any worth in reanimating corruptible and fragile things as bodies? __________________ some facts

10-19-2007, 08:11 PM	#9
varian Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,548	I was just using an old cliche. Perhaps I should have used reincarnated. Naw, that doesn't fit either. It was just an old post from 2006. Last edited by varian; 10-19-2007 at 11:37 PM.

10-20-2007, 06:57 AM	#13
Kenneth Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dublin - da bleedin' nardside. Posts: 1,776	Hardly enough. More maggot talk like below please. I'm mad for maggot talk. Mother Earth is pregnant for the third time For y'all have knocked her up. I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe I was not offended For I knew I had to rise above it all Or drown in my own . Come on Maggot Brain Go on Maggot Brain __________________ I bombed Korea every night. My engine sang into the salty sky. I didn't know if I would live or die. I bombed Korea every night.

03-10-2006, 12:07 PM	#4
Ammom7 Guest Posts: n/a	Wow. Mind boggling for sure! Very interesting!

10-19-2007, 08:47 AM	#7
varian Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,548	Man, this was posted about a year and a half ago. Talk about resurrecting the dead! Anyway, I have never been a Steve Martin fan; I personally prefer Jim Carrey or Robin Williams. I take a wait and see attitude about most things, while preparing for the worst. I don't take exception to what a 'Jewish kafir' may have 'seen' in the past, I just catalog it as "interesting." I don't need some religious bias or filter to decipher what the author was attempting to say. Besides, Putin and Olmert just had a meeting about the nuclear issue in Iran, and Putin has assured Olmert that the Russian nuclear technology in Iran would never be used for weapons. Now we all believe uncle Vlad, don't we??? Oh wait, uncle Vlad is just another kafir, isn't he??? Maybe we ought to "wait and see" if he is telling the truth!!!

10-19-2007, 08:44 PM	#10
varian Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,548	Here's something off of Ummah.com, but I don't think that it is the answer for which you are looking: "I wish to die in way of Allah then get resurrected, then die then get resurrected, then die then get resurrected only to die in His path." - Prophet Muhammad Multiple resurrections and no reincarnation. Confused yet???

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