India Supplying Taliban

[maven]

Al Jazzera reporting today tons of explosives, laptops and other items from India found in raids on Taliban:
This from The Press Trust Of India:


Islamabad, Nov 2: Pakistan on Monday said its forces had seized Indian-made arms and equipment from the Taliban stronghold of South Waziristan, where the Army has launched a major operation to flush out militants.
The Information Minister, Qamar Zaman Kaira, and chief military spokesman, Maj Gen Athar Abbas, alleged during a news briefing that Pakistani troops had recovered “Indian arms, ammunition, literature and medical equipment” from Sherwangi, a key militant base that was captured a few days ago.
“We have informed the Foreign Office about this evidence. It is up to them to take up the matter (with the Indian government),” Abbas said in response to a question on India’s alleged role in backing militants in South Waziristan.
Responding to another query on whether Pakistan would continue making overtures for peace talks with India despite the alleged recovery of Indian-made weapons and supplies, Kaira said, “As far as these weapons and evidence are concerned, definitely relevant quarters will take up this matter (with India). As far as peaceful negotiations and settlement of outstanding issues is concerned, we will not deviate from them. Because when you are at war with nations, you have a dialogue with nations as well,” he added.
Pakistan’s Interior Minister Rehman Malik had recently alleged that India was supplying arms to Taliban militants.

http://www.greaterkashmir.com/today/...temID=61&cat=1

[shravan]

First the title should be India Supporting Pakistani Taliban (TTP) {BAD TALIBAN}

LOL. Don't tell anyone but India always supported TTP even when Pakistani Army was doing Peace Deals with them..

[shravan]

The Taliban {GOOD TALIBAN} which is Killing America soldiers i fully supported by Pakistan that to by American Tax Payers Money.

[maven]

O well that's allright then.

Thankfully the Pakistan Taliban have no connection with the Taliban in Afghanistan so no worry about US and UK troops getting killed with Indian munitions.

[shravan]

Originally Posted by maven

O well that's allright then.

Thankfully the Pakistan Taliban have no connection with the Taliban in Afghanistan so no worry about US and UK troops getting killed with Indian munitions.

I think Pakistani Spokesperson was talking about the weapons found in Pakistan when they entered Waziristan to clear TTP.

FYI: India does not make 82mm Mortar shells...

Personally i think India does not need to support TTP because they are doing pretty good job killing Pakistani Army in they own Headquarters / Rawalpindi.

Even if India supports TTP I don't have any problems with that. But TTP & Afghan Taliban are two different Organization's.

Do remember Afghan Taliban likes to blow our consulates in Afghanistan..

[maven]

I just thought of one problem Shravan. If India is arming the Taliban in Waziristan, and the Taliban is protecting and accomodating Al Quaida, then surely India en passant is supporting Al Quaida?

[shravan]

Originally Posted by maven

I just thought of one problem Shravan. If India is arming the Taliban in Waziristan, and the Taliban is protecting and accomodating Al Quaida, then surely India en passant is supporting Al Quaida?

According to Pakistan in the beginning Ajmal Kasab was a evil Yindoo and Jews were behind the attack... Lets wait till they show clear proof.

Can you tell me why would India support Afgan Taliban ? They blow are consulates, hijacked Airplanes , killed construction workers, etc.


According to you are we supporting the Good Taliban or the Bad Taliban.......

[maven]

Firstly when I was in Swat in my role as a hippie in 1972 years before Pak and US were accused of creating Taliban they were already there, they just had not been armed yet. Not only that but my village was often visited by foreign fighters even one from the PLO. They were already in NWFP before the Russians invaded.

Secondly, I can understand why India wants to keep Pak forces tied up and away from her borders but this really is playing with fire because these guys are going to turn up in India if any deal is made with the Govt in Islamabad.

However Pakistanis may moan about being blown up they basically support Taliban and a future cop-out by Govt of Pak allowing sharia law in NWFP is going to leave the talibs looking for more work with numbers heading south to reclaim Mughal India; stolen by the Brits from the Umma and handed over to the Hindus.

The fact that they do not have a rats chance in hell of taking India back would never dawn on their brainless mentality.

I do accept the notion of the good and bad Taliban in the Texan sense that a good Taliban is a dead Taliban.

Providing when they are dead that they can convince that well known Goth pop group 'Yama and the Yamdoots' that they are good.


'There could soon be an Indian Taliban'
April 15, 2009

Ahmed Rashid, one of the world's foremost experts on the Taliban, has predicted that with the resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan, there could very well be an Indian Taliban in the near future.
Rashid exhorted India and Pakistan to resurrect their dialogue and cooperate in fighting terrorism and extremism together because if Pakistan fails to counter the sustained onslaught of the Taliban, New Delhi could be faced with a Taliban government as it's neighbour.

"If you think infiltration into Kashmir is bad now, wait until the Taliban become your neighbour. Then you will see real infiltration not only into Kashmir, but into India proper."

"Today, we have the Taliban as a role model for an entire region. We have not only the Afghan Taliban, today, we have the Pakistani Taliban, Central Asian, and very soon you may have the Indian Taliban. You may have the Taliban stretching into the Caucasus and even into the Middle East," he told the gathering.

Rashid, who first wrote the seminal book on the Taliban, reiterated that "it's become a role model for extremism, it is backed financially by Al Qaeda, and it's extremely dangerous. It is now controlling something like a quarter of Afghanistan and large tracts of northern Pakistan and they are coming now down into Punjab and Pakistan is faced with a very, very serious threat."

The Pakistani military, he added, "unfortunately, even today, remains in a state of denial about the threat that it faces in the country. It remains in a state of denial over the Taliban who are encroaching in Pakistan with even more power and tactics. It remains in denial about the other extremist groups who've been active in other parts of Pakistan -in the south and the center of the country. It also remains in denial of the desperate means that the military needs to be re-aligning itself on a much more modern counter-insurgency strategy that it has so far applied in its action with the Taliban."

Rashid said the situation in Pakistan "is very dire," and that currently "there is a fragmentation in the leadership. There is no demonstrated leadership, either being shown by the politicians or being shown by the army right now."

With regard to the Obama administration's new strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, particularly it is a regional approach, the Pakistani author and journalist argued, "The problem is all of the six neighbours have bilateral problems with each other and you cannot get them to agree on stabilising Afghanistan, unless you initiate a diplomatic process to get them to talk to each other about their bilateral issues."

Rashid said it was a no-brainer that "the biggest problem here is India and Pakistan," both of whom "are unfortunately now involved in a deep rivalry in Afghanistan."

"I call Kabul the new Kashmir in a way," he said, and noted that "Pakistan believes that the Indian presence in Afghanistan is undermining the western border of Pakistan and that the Afghan government is too close to India. There is a litany of complaints here. And, this is all being affected by the Americans, by the US military and the Indian-Afghan alliance is part of a US plan to help destabilise Pakistan."

Rashid said, "This is the kind of conspiracy theory which is very prevalent in the military, the bureaucracy, in government circles, within the elite in Pakistan."

"I certainly don't agree with that and Afghanistan is today a sovereign State and it has a right to have relations with every country in the world and no other country can dictate that you can't have relations with so and so and so and so."

But, Rashid asserted, that "at the same time, the Indians need to be much more flexible than they have been."

He acknowledged that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh "has been very patient so far with the kind of strings of bomb blasts that had happened in India even before Mumbai. Mumbai was perhaps the icing on the cake and perhaps with elections looming, the Congress government couldn't really take it anymore."

"Anyway, the net result has been a total breakdown in relations, but I really think, a start should be made in trying to get India and Pakistan to discuss Afghanistan and to put an end to this covert war that both sides are mounting from Afghanistan or in Afghanistan, and the bad blood that exists between both countries and are threatened by the Taliban."

Rashid warned that if India doesn't let Pakistan "off the hook here," and doesn't help Pakistan out in this regard, India would be faced with two threats in the near future. India would be "faced with an Indian Taliban. We already have Indian Islamic extremist groups working in India, and secondly, if Pakistan slides even further, India will be sharing a border with the Taliban. You will not be sharing a border with the Pakistan state. You will be sharing a border with a Pakistan northwest frontier province that has fallen to the Taliban and even parts of Punjab fallen to the Taliban and then what are you going to do?"

"There is a real need for India to assess its national security needs and to understand that it is threatened by this," Rashid said. "It may be, for someone living in Kolkata or someone living in Madras, it may be an existential threat. But, it is very real and the kind of mayhem that was wracked in Mumbai recently is an example of what some of these groups are capable of doing."

http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/apr/...an-taliban.htm

[shravan]

Originally Posted by maven

Firstly when I was in Swat in my role as a hippie in 1972 years before Pak and US were accused of creating Taliban they were already there, they just had not been armed yet. Not only that but my village was often visited by foreign fighters even one from the PLO. They were already in NWFP before the Russians invaded.

Taliban was created in 1994 after the Cold War. When the Jihadis had lost their Job and they had nothing to do.

That what worries me even today the same will repeat again. But this time the Jihadis will end up in all over the World.

Recent Report (This can be completely false)
Friday, October 30, 2009

TEL AVIV — Israel's intelligence community has determined that the Al Qaida presence in the Gaza Strip has expanded significantly.

Military sources said the intelligence community has assessed that more than 100 Islamic fighters have entered the Gaza Strip from the tunnel network linked to neighboring Egypt. The sources said the influx of the trained operatives was detected throughout 2009.

"These are people who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan and represented the first direct help by the Al Qaida leadership to the Gaza Strip," a military source said.

The flow of Al Qaida fighters to the Gaza Strip has continued despite Hamas's crackdown. In August 2009, Hamas forces raided a Rafah mosque controlled by the Al Qaida-aligned Jund Ansar Allah and killed the group's leader and more than 20 other operatives.

"Following Hamas's mini-crackdown, the Salafi groupings have continued to grow," Jonathan Spyer, senior research fellow at the Global Research in International Affairs Center, said. "No clear line exists between them and the more moderate Islamists of Hamas."

Secondly, I can understand why India wants to keep Pak forces tied up and away from her borders but this really is playing with fire because these guys are going to turn up in India if any deal is made with the Govt in Islamabad.

They way I look at it does not make any difference. Pakistan Army also threaten us with Nuclear bombs, sends terrorists to India.

Atleast Taliban will openly say they are doing the terrorist attacks. And the Nuclear bombs will no longer be our Headache. Pakistan Army will only use nukes against India but Taliban will supply it to other Terrorist Organizations around the world...

However Pakistanis may moan about being blown up they basically support Taliban and a future cop-out by Govt of Pak allowing sharia law in NWFP is going to leave the talibs looking for more work with numbers heading south to reclaim Mughal India;

LOL. Are you taking about the past or the future....

stolen by the Brits from the Umma and handed over to the Hindus.

When British came Hindus were again in power in Most Parts of the India. Which Madrassa are you from ?...

The fact that they do not have a rats chance in hell of taking India back would never dawn on their brainless mentality.

They are welcome to come to India. Atleast we know the enemy. What about the place where you stay (U.K) ? They are more powerful when they don't make the noises.

I do accept the notion of the good and bad Taliban in the Texan sense that a good Taliban is a dead Taliban.

Good Taliban & Bad Taliban was started by America.

Ahmed Rashid, one of the world's foremost experts on the Taliban, has predicted that with the resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan, there could very well be an Indian Taliban in the near future.

Even in America & U.K. atleast in India even the Indian Muslims will never ask for the separate Land. Did you read Last week FBI killed a Iman who was asking for separate state in America ?

And i don't even want to start on U.K.


Anyways i think i have told you why Taliban taking over Pakistan is not possible and even if it does we don't have to worry. I can even bet that China will be first country to take control over Pakistani Nukes.

[pagan]

Taliban was not created in 1994. It was created 1400 years ago by Mad Mo. He himself was the first Taliban. Taliban is just another name for a group of Islamic terrorists.

India never ever helped Taliban in any way,or will never ever help Taliban in future.

India will continue its 'operations' from Afghanistan ,and no amount waling by Pakistanis are going to stop that.

[shravan]

Originally Posted by pagan

India will continue its 'operations' from Afghanistan ,and no amount waling by Pakistanis are going to stop that.

We should enter Afghanistan. No country has experience in COIN Operations as we do. Americans regularly come to India for training...

[shravan]

maven,

When are they going to give the proof. Seems like the messed up showing the 82mm Mortar shells as Indians and with some Chinese (Taller than mountain, deeper than Ocean friends) weapons.

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Some people don't understand the difference may me that's why Afghan Taliban issued a press release yesterday. (Might be Yindoo-Joo propaganda...)

http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=91161
Updated at: 1325 PST, Tuesday, November 10, 2009
KABUL: Afghan Taliban commander Abdul Mannan alias Mullah Toor has expressed disassociation with Tahreek-e-Taliban Pakistan(TTP) and said Afghan Taliban have no connection with outlawed Tahreek-e-Taliban.

In an interview, Mullah Toor said targeting innocent people in suicide attacks and blasts is wrong. Al Qaeda has no influence on Tahreek-e-Taliban and Afghan Taliban target only Americans and Nato forces.

[Mediocrates]

India supplying Taliban? There's a Taliban store in India? How much are they and is shipping included?

[shravan]

X-Posting

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/22/ma...stan.html?_r=1
By ELIZABETH RUBIN
Published: October 22, 2006

As I traveled through Pakistan and particularly the Pashtun lands bordering Afghanistan, I felt as if I were moving through a Taliban spa for rehabilitation and inspiration. Since 2002, the American and Pakistani militaries have focused on North Waziristan and South Waziristan, two of the seven districts making up Pakistan’s semiautonomous tribal areas, which are between the North-West Frontier Province and, to the south, Baluchistan Province; in the days since the 9/11 attacks, some tribes there had sheltered members of Al Qaeda and spawned their own Taliban movement. Meanwhile, in the deserts of Baluchistan, whose capital, Quetta, is just a few hours’ drive from the Afghan city of Kandahar, the Afghan Taliban were openly reassembling themselves under Mullah Omar and his leadership council. Quetta had become a kind of free zone where strategies could be formed, funds picked up, interviews given and victories relished.

In June, I was in Quetta as the Taliban fighters celebrated an attack against Dad Mohammad Khan, an Afghan legislator locally known as Amir Dado. Until recently he was the intelligence chief of Helmand Province. He had worked closely with U.S. Special Forces and was despised by Abdul Baqi — and, to be frank, by most Afghans in the south. Mullah Razayar Nurzai (a nom de guerre), a commander of 300 Taliban fighters who frequently meets with the leadership council and Mullah Omar, took credit for the ambush. Because Pakistan’s intelligence services are fickle — sometimes supporting the Taliban, sometimes arresting its members — I had to meet Nurzai at night, down a dark lane in a village outside Quetta.

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BBC NEWS | South Asia | Pakistan's Taliban dilemma 7 November 2009

The Afghan Taliban leadership and sources of supply are not even in Afghanistan, they are in Pakistan - in Quetta, a city just across the mountains from Kandahar where so many British and American troops have died.

The charge of cynicism arises because the Americans and the British support the Pakistan government - and the Pakistan government at the same time provides sanctuary in Quetta for the Afghan Taliban who are killing US and British troops.
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Supply lines
At the moment, Pakistan is both ally and enemy to the USA - ally in the fight against the Pakistani Taliban, but enemy so long as they continue to protect the Afghan Taliban.

Quetta is the crucial element. An entire suburb of that Pakistani city is effectively occupied by the Afghan Taliban and their "Shura" ruling council - including their leader Mullah Omar.

The Afghan Taliban get many of their basic supplies in Quetta - their motorbikes, for example, and their mobile phone SIM cards.

And their supply lines cross the mountains into Afghanistan to the north.

Afghanistan is caught in the middle. Nothing will really change here until this has been resolved.

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Pakistan's Taliban dilemma 7 November 2009

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How the US Funds the Taliban
By Aram Roston
November 11, 2009

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Two years ago, a top Afghan security official told me, Afghanistan's intelligence service, the National Directorate of Security, had alerted the American military to the problem. The NDS delivered what I'm told are "very detailed" reports to the Americans explaining how the Taliban are profiting from protecting convoys of US supplies.

The Afghan intelligence service even offered a solution: what if the United States were to take the tens of millions paid to security contractors and instead set up a dedicated and professional convoy support unit to guard its logistics lines? The suggestion went nowhere.
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The trouble is that--as with so much in Afghanistan--the United States doesn't seem to know how to fix it.

[shravan]

Maybe now people will understand what I was trying to tell earlier...